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dogquoteplus
31st October 2018, 16:18
Hi forum, I need your lights as I am a new contractor.

Due to flight cancellations I was stuck in a remote location. I would VPN to the office in the next day. We held a meeting with the client manager, and he gave me a detailed to-do agenda for the next day "to make sure I don't run out of things to do since I'm remotely". He caught me off guard so I nodded.

I feel like a child being told what to do, let alone being a professional service provider. How do I prevent this from happening next time?

vwdan
31st October 2018, 16:22
Talk to him?

northernladuk
31st October 2018, 16:22
How often do you expect your flight being cancelled?

WTFH
31st October 2018, 16:58
Is this the same client who thinks you are not doing any work?

If so, they are giving you specific tasks and then will be checking to make sure you have done them.

It's difficult to say much more than that because your English isn't great and it's not clear whether you were stuck away from their site for several days, if you were there as part of your work for the client, or on holiday, whether you are working for an intermediary or directly with the end client, etc.

1. Being a contractor means being given tasks to do.
2. Being professional means delivering tasks using your ability.
3. If you want to prevent being given tasks or using your own skills to deliver those tasks, then contracting maybe isn't for you.

cosmic
1st November 2018, 07:17
Hi forum, I need your lights as I am a new contractor.

Due to flight cancellations I was stuck in a remote location. I would VPN to the office in the next day. We held a meeting with the client manager, and he gave me a detailed to-do agenda for the next day "to make sure I don't run out of things to do since I'm remotely". He caught me off guard so I nodded.

I feel like a child being told what to do, let alone being a professional service provider. How do I prevent this from happening next time?

IR35 smells strong on this one. If the client (manager) feels the need to set an agenda for the day to me that is something that reeks of control and non trust as a professional. Nothing much you can do apart from talking to him/her but in a way that doesn't insult them.

You are in a tough position.

LondonManc
1st November 2018, 07:33
IR35 smells strong on this one. If the client (manager) feels the need to set an agenda for the day to me that is something that reeks of control and non trust as a professional. Nothing much you can do apart from talking to him/her but in a way that doesn't insult them.

You are in a tough position.

Smells more like lack of trust. The OP is clearly seen, based on this and other posts, as not delivering. Stop f'ing about on forums and get delivering. Only the likes of NLUK are good enough to produce 150 post a day on here and deliver a professional working day at clientco.

dogquoteplus
1st November 2018, 09:39
We ended up talking it through, and indeed it was the case that client felt like micro managing because of difference of perspective on the same things. The client is actually very satisfied from the services, but he was afraid that due to the lack of traction in his company, that things would not get done, so ended up micro managing.

I would advise everyone else who are rushing to conclusions to put their foot on the mouth right now and reflect on this for a second.

For the rest who did provide me with constructive feedback, I appreciate the comments, thanks.

northernladuk
1st November 2018, 10:29
We ended up talking it through, and indeed it was the case that client felt like micro managing because of difference of perspective on the same things.
He want's work done and you aren't doing it?
The client is actually very satisfied from the services, but he was afraid that due to the lack of traction in his company, that things would not get done, so ended up micro managing.

Reading between the lines there I'd say he isn't very satisfied with the service then. Looks like classic sandwich feedback but inverse.


I would advise everyone else who are rushing to conclusions to put their foot on the mouth right now and reflect on this for a second.
Don't completely understand this statement but not sure why they should do that. Doesn't seem to prove anything. He's still afraid things won't get done. If you were good he wouldn't be afraid.


For the rest who did provide me with constructive feedback, I appreciate the comments, thanks.
You've done well bearing in mind this is in general. Just make sure you've bled your radiators on time.

dogquoteplus
1st November 2018, 11:25
Just make sure you've bled your radiators on time.

Not sure what this means.

psychocandy
1st November 2018, 15:28
Couple of things pee me off with certain contractors

1. They assume they can work from home when they want.
2. Get arse in hand when client actually ensures they're getting something for the money.

Not being funny but usually moaning and whining about things like this usually lead to a much more flexible daily agenda including jeremy kyle, cracking one off, then watching loose women (i.e. given the boot from contract).

cosmic
1st November 2018, 15:39
Couple of things pee me off with certain contractors

1. They assume they can work from home when they want.
2. Get arse in hand when client actually ensures they're getting something for the money.

Not being funny but usually moaning and whining about things like this usually lead to a much more flexible daily agenda including jeremy kyle, cracking one off, then watching loose women (i.e. given the boot from contract).

Well yes they should be able to work where they please just like any other business in partnership with any other business. It's a business contract to complete a project. Perm are told what they can and can't do. Contractors are given projects and left to it with milestones to prove they are doing the work and to spec. It's idiots like you who HMRC would love to check your IR35 contract ;)

AtW
1st November 2018, 15:40
Joey, you ever been in a cockpit before?

:igmc:

psychocandy
1st November 2018, 16:40
Well yes they should be able to work where they please just like any other business in partnership with any other business. It's a business contract to complete a project. Perm are told what they can and can't do. Contractors are given projects and left to it with milestones to prove they are doing the work and to spec. It's idiots like you who HMRC would love to check your IR35 contract ;)

Im fine thank you. In an ideal world yes but not all client are like this. Contractors who kick off and moan give everyone else a bad name.

So client takes you on for a project based in x location. There may be no remote access. Client may actually need you to speak to and interact with people at location x. You moan and say you're working from home = end of gig sharpish.

northernladuk
1st November 2018, 17:41
Well yes they should be able to work where they please just like any other business in partnership with any other business. It's a business contract to complete a project. Perm are told what they can and can't do. Contractors are given projects and left to it with milestones to prove they are doing the work and to spec. It's idiots like you who HMRC would love to check your IR35 contract ;)Nah. Not at all. It depends on the work and what is being delivered. Most of the work we do requires interaction that is difficult to do completely remotely. Many suppliers place people on site so saying they can work where they please is complete rubbish.

There is professional courtesy as well. Just waltzing in when you feel like and no one not knowing where you are just isn't normal and is going to frustrate people.

Whoever has hacked PC's account does have a point.

PC is also inside IR35 anyway so that point isn't going phase him either.

psychocandy
2nd November 2018, 12:10
Nah. Not at all. It depends on the work and what is being delivered. Most of the work we do requires interaction that is difficult to do completely remotely. Many suppliers place people on site so saying they can work where they please is complete rubbish.

There is professional courtesy as well. Just waltzing in when you feel like and no one not knowing where you are just isn't normal and is going to frustrate people.

Whoever has hacked PC's account does have a point.

PC is also inside IR35 anyway so that point isn't going phase him either.

NLUK in "agreeing with me" shocker!!!

Yes I'm inside IR35 PS at the moment. In the past I've never been though.