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el duder
22nd January 2007, 14:58
:rollin: :rollin:

Day to Day working
If the Revenue investigates your contract they may contact the end client and seek information on how you actually work.

Suggestion – try to avoid acting similar to employees of the client, such as:

Using staff facilities and benefits such as car parks, canteens etc.
Appearing on internal phone lists & email addresses
Joining in on staff events such as social events, Christmas parties etc.
Managing employees of the client
Similar work patterns/holiday leave as employees of the client

I have never heard soo much shite in all my life. It is well known that to develop relationships with your client it is best to 'fit' in with the company you are working with. By working alongside collegues and building rapport, getting involved with the company actually helps you get more work and build better relationships for extensions.

The above statement is complete and utter tosh.

Spacecadet
22nd January 2007, 15:06
Using staff facilities and benefits such as car parks, canteens etc.
I need to park somewhere!

Appearing on internal phone lists & email addresses
I need to use the internal email system for more than just emailing people. Its a very convenient method of transferring documents to the client whilst on site, some of which may be confidential and the client would be upset if these went through a thrid party system when not necessary. And as a business systems specialist i need access to the email system to set up automated report emailing, alerts etc...

Joining in on staff events such as social events, Christmas parties etc.
Always avoided these for the past few years anyway, mostly for anti-social reasons

Managing employees of the client
Well dur... unless your a contract project manager, then you're screwed

Similar work patterns/holiday leave as employees of the client
I prefer to work 9-5, its the same hours as most of my clients work so makes sense!

wantacontract
22nd January 2007, 15:08
just work from home..... :D

el duder
22nd January 2007, 15:09
It is quite simply pure and utter bullshit.

The lot of it.

The black and white of it is this.

It is not about wheter you 'would' be an employee if you worked for the company directly. What the **** has that got to do with anything.

It is the fact that the company themselves have chosen NOT to hire an employee but to hire temporary 'CONTRACT' employment for short periods of time.

THAT IN ITSELF EXPLAINS IT ALL. Whether you are using their computers or emails or ****** car park dont matter.

It makes me mad. I tells ya.

el duder
22nd January 2007, 15:10
just work from home..... :D

Do the rules apply to me?
The rules will apply to you if you answer ‘yes’ to both the following questions.

Would you be an employee if you worked for your client directly and not through your company or partnership?

NO CAUSE I WOULD NOT WORK FOR THE CLIENT DIRECTLY.
THE CLIENT DOES NOT WANT TO EMPLOY WORKERS DIRECTLY.

WHO GIVES A TOSS WITH IFS AND BUTS LOOK AT THE REALITY.

rootsnall
22nd January 2007, 15:19
:rollin: :rollin:

Day to Day working
If the Revenue investigates your contract they may contact the end client and seek information on how you actually work.

Suggestion – try to avoid acting similar to employees of the client, such as:

Using staff facilities and benefits such as car parks, canteens etc.
Appearing on internal phone lists & email addresses
Joining in on staff events such as social events, Christmas parties etc.
Managing employees of the client
Similar work patterns/holiday leave as employees of the client

I have never heard soo much shite in all my life. It is well known that to develop relationships with your client it is best to 'fit' in with the company you are working with. By working alongside collegues and building rapport, getting involved with the company actually helps you get more work and build better relationships for extensions.

The above statement is complete and utter tosh.

Here here !!!

ratewhore
22nd January 2007, 15:27
I'm just wondering what the point of this outburst is? We all know the rules are crap and vague and constantly changing and so on and so on.

Are you just letting off steam because you didn't get to empty your sacks yesterday?

:cool2:

bored
22nd January 2007, 16:28
Hmm why can't I be managing employees of the client, what's wrong with that? :confused:

wendigo100
22nd January 2007, 18:41
Duder, the crap you describe is the essence of IR35, and has been well known for years.

xoggoth
22nd January 2007, 19:27
You are right but that does not mean the IR will not try and say these things are employemnt. Come to that, how many professionals get paid by the hour for only the work they do?

thunderlizard
22nd January 2007, 22:42
"Would you be an employee if you worked for your client directly and not through your company or partnership?"

What a crazy question! Yes by definition! If the greengrocer who sells me fruit worked for me directly he'd be an employee of me. If the policeman who does crowd control at White Hart Lane worked for Tottenham Hotspur directly, he'd be their employee. If Mick Jagger worked directly for Burger King he would be an employee of Burger King. But they don't and it would be mad if they did! That's the point!

bobhope
23rd January 2007, 07:59
Well IR35 was good news for me: haven't paid UK tax since 2002.