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Wilmslow
3rd August 2007, 22:51
I have been given two weeks notice.

Short version is that my test lead was not doing what he should do, and they did not like the fact I could not give a firm estimate on any rework from a 5 page rambling email and assessed a days effort to break down the email to provide the estimate they wanted. Hence they have terminated me for not working miracles.

I have had nothing in writing, nor any phone call from the agency. (My contract is with the agency).

Where do I stand, and what would happen if I got nothing in writing by the end of the 2 week period?

thunderlizard
3rd August 2007, 23:36
"where you stand" depends completely on whatever's written in your contract. Anything else is guesswork.

malvolio
4th August 2007, 08:05
...snip... what would happen if I got nothing in writing by the end of the 2 week period?

Nothing - you're out of a job. Rightly or wrongly, the client doesn't think you're delivering, and they certainly won't pay you for it. The fact that you've been given notice is actually a good thing, they'd be well within their rights to turn you out immediately (there'll be a clause to that effect in your contract somewhere).

It happens, it's a pain, but don't waste time agonising over it. Move on.

zamzummim
4th August 2007, 08:37
Yep Moving on is the best and healthiest thing you could do.

Wilmslow
4th August 2007, 09:51
Cheers guys, moving on is indeed healthiest. Just frustrating to be made a scapegoat.

Registered with the agencies, seen a few things on Jobserve as well.

There is little contracting work in my area, but a few agile projects in London. (Testing since 1999, exposure to QTP, a couple of years of agile and worked as an STA for a consultancy). Just a case of finding something suitable. I wold rather stay local for humdrum, but happy to work away for an interesting gig.

If anyone is looking, would be great to learn more :)

xoggoth
4th August 2007, 10:04
I would shout and scream and then sit in a corner sobbing until they reinstated me. It usually works.

Zippy
4th August 2007, 11:14
Hmm bad luck mate.

I'm currently gigging at Muppet HQ myself and fear a similar fate so I'm plotting my escape.

All the best for getting a new gig - on the plus side agile is on the up so hopefully you won't have too many problems.

Gonzo
4th August 2007, 12:46
I'm currently gigging at Muppet HQ myself
Sounds perfect, where do I sign? :D

Just frustrating to be made a scapegoat.It happens. Don't get upset about it. Where human beings are involved sooner or later there will be personality differences and the contractor will get the can. It's inevitable, there isn't a lot you can do about it so there is no point worrying. (Unless of course it is happening on every gig then you might want to have a look at yourself).

Zippy
4th August 2007, 13:10
Sounds perfect, where do I sign? :D


Oops sorry Gonzo. No offence. :o

Gonzo
4th August 2007, 14:36
Oops sorry Gonzo. No offence. :o
:rollin:
None taken :D

Zippy
4th August 2007, 16:27
Sounds perfect, where do I sign? :D
It happens. Don't get upset about it. Where human beings are involved sooner or later there will be personality differences and the contractor will get the can. It's inevitable, there isn't a lot you can do about it so there is no point worrying. (Unless of course it is happening on every gig then you might want to have a look at yourself).

Gonzo is spot on here. After all, very few clients get contractors in because things are going really, really well. I guess the trick is not to make them worse :D

foritisme
5th August 2007, 20:21
Have the feeling something similar will happen to me soon. Been in work all weekend trying to get a new application tested for Monday. The permies have no idea how to write test cases - they just cut and paste statements out of the reqs spec. So I get on average 7 minutes to run tests that I have to spend half an hour running around doing the test analyst work that should have been done up front. The permies get pats on the back for writing tests so quick.

All good fun - and time and a half for the weekend :banana:

Wilmslow
5th August 2007, 21:18
More entertainment ensued when I asked the test manager about the strategy. Reply... 'Whats a strategy'. She asked me to put something in writing to her (without the time to consult as required). Just after this amusement she then talked about rates, advising that as they are paying the agency twice as much as they pay permies they expect twice the work.

Glad out of there to be honest.

Madness.

fzbucks
5th August 2007, 22:06
More entertainment ensued when I asked the test manager about the strategy. Reply... 'Whats a strategy'. She asked me to put something in writing to her (without the time to consult as required). Just after this amusement she then talked about rates, advising that as they are paying the agency twice as much as they pay permies they expect twice the work.

Glad out of there to be honest.

Madness.

It shouldn't be twice the work necessarily, more like twice the skill and twice as effective - half the office politics, half the sickies and half the holidays etc.

Sockpuppet
5th August 2007, 22:12
Work harder not smarter.

My last but one projectmanager was mint. He had no problems with me doing 4 or 5 hours a day or less as long as at the end of day/week/month every report was bang upto date and completley correct.

I took the load of him so he was fine with it.

Ardesco
6th August 2007, 10:13
Ah the joys of working in an Agile (aka. change the specs at the drop of a hat and don't have any hard and fast requirements or documentation) environment.

I have found that the best thing to do in Agile environments is have an overview of areas that you want to test and some high level scripts covering the essential areas because the application is likely to change so not much point in getting too low level.

I usually ended up creating the low level scripts the 2 weeks before testing commenced (when the spec was pretty much fixed for that revision) and amending them on the fly as testing was performed and the dev team explained why some things worked differently to the way I was expecting it to work.

I have found that in an Agile environment you really need to have good communication and a good working relationship with the coders as they won't have coded the program exactly the way the spec says they should and they will usually have got sign off to deviate from the spec, but nobody will bother to update the spec while this is going on.

As a rule of thumb I tend to guess how much time it will take me to test soemthing and double it and then say that this does not include contingency when working in an agile environment. This way I normally look good when I test it in less time than estimated and if they throw me a curve ball I usually have enough time to deal with said curve ball. An agile environament is a pain in the arse to test in IMHO.

thunderlizard
6th August 2007, 10:22
An agile environment is a pain in the arse to test in IMHO.

Sadly I think you're right, and you've got a very sensible attitude. But if it is that way, the developers aren't being properly agile.


they won't have coded the program exactly the way the spec says they should and they will usually have got sign off to deviate from the spec, but nobody will bother to update the spec while this is going on
again, if they were properly agile, your test cases would be the spec.

I am not a big fan of Dilbert, but I think this is what's going on:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cote/63914774/

Ardesco
6th August 2007, 10:31
The big problem is that most methodologies that are used are implemented in a half assed way and not done properly. In the past 10 years i have not yet worked in a company where the methodology has been used text book style, and i doubt I ever will.

The sad fact is that as a contractor I never seen a complete and up to date spec, apart from in banking. I am a firm believer that any company capable of producing a spec that is complete and up to date likely doesn't need to bring in contractors to get their project running smoothly again. Banks seem to be the best with specs in my experience, but generally because banks are anal about audit trails and the people working in them are obsessed with covering their asses.

zamzummim
6th August 2007, 10:32
My previous contract was terminated all of a sudden last Feb, I had a 4 weeks notice, but the agency or the client (not sure who) didn't want to pay the notice, after a lot of negotiations I settled for 2 weeks notice. Now to my surprise the agency are calling me again for another role..hmmm