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zeitghost
10th August 2007, 08:51
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/6939722.stm

He'll not be missed. :wave: :banana: :rollin: :yay: :music:

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 08:53
Agreed. Scum.

Methuselah
10th August 2007, 08:57
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/6939722.stm

He'll not be missed. :wave: :banana: :rollin: :yay: :music:Maybe we should have a regular "Good News of the Day" spot to cheer us up?

DimPrawn
10th August 2007, 08:59
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/6939722.stm

He'll not be missed. :wave: :banana: :rollin: :yay: :music:

He was merely mis-understood. Think of his human rights! I hope his family sue the prison. :rolleyes:

Moose423956
10th August 2007, 09:43
I know you're not going to like this, but I don't agree. He was mentally ill, a schizophrenic according to the doctor from Broadmoor. So he probably wasn't in control of his actions. Yes, he should have been locked away for the rest of his life to protect the rest of us, but he didn't deserve to die.

Unlike the barsteward who tried to bomb Glasgow airport, who made a conscious choice to do what he did, and (in my opinion) deserved what he got.

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 09:46
but he didn't deserve to die.
He stabbed 4 people to death over the course of 3 days and attempted to kill 2 more.

He deserved to die.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 09:50
I know you're not going to like this, but I don't agree. He was mentally ill, a schizophrenic according to the doctor from Broadmoor. So he probably wasn't in control of his actions. Yes, he should have been locked away for the rest of his life to protect the rest of us, but he didn't deserve to die.

Unlike the barsteward who tried to bomb Glasgow airport, who made a conscious choice to do what he did, and (in my opinion) deserved what he got.
Moos423956, you should be ashamed of yourself, you communist. Next you're going to start asking people to think critically about the world, and understand the relationship between mental illness, provision of healthcare and social support, treatment and punishment.

daviejones
10th August 2007, 09:50
Yep, he is in the best place now!!!

barely_pointless
10th August 2007, 09:50
I doubt that very much, the age of the victims chosen would indicate he picked easy targets, if he was truly a nutter, then you would expect to see a wider variation in age and sizes, as it stands, he picked vulnerable people.

The true mark of a coward, one can only notice with some glee that he obviously did not last long amongst men who would fight back. good riddance.

Moose423956
10th August 2007, 09:51
He stabbed 4 people to death over the course of 3 days and attempted to kill 2 more.

He deserved to die.

Mental illness is an illness like any other, and it's caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, which may just happen for no particular reason. You wouldn't say someone deserved to die just because they had cancer, would you?

BA to the Stars
10th August 2007, 09:52
So he probably wasn't in control of his actions. Yes, he should have been locked away for the rest of his life to protect the rest of us, but he didn't deserve to die.



As he wasn't in control of his actions, I suppose that will provide comfort to the innocent victims. Unfortuanately, it is often cases like this that until someone gets hurt that the full extent of the perpetrators illness is known - we cannot lock everyone who might have such an illness away just in case but then again the innocent majority need to be protected. A tough one.

richard-af
10th August 2007, 09:53
one can only notice with some glee that he obviously did not last long amongst men who would fight back. good riddance.

He was topped in Broadmoor, not beaten fair-and-square during 10 rounds according to the Queensbury Rules!

barely_pointless
10th August 2007, 09:55
He was topped in Broadmoor, not beaten fair-and-square during 10 rounds according to the Queensbury Rules!


he chose the rules first by killing what appears to be pensioners, and thus there seems to be a natural finality and justice to it.

Fair and square had nothing on these people who died at his hands.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 09:55
I doubt that very much, the age of the victims chosen would indicate he picked easy targets, if he was truly a nutter, then you would expect to see a wider variation in age and sizes, as it stands, he picked vulnerable people.

The true mark of a coward, one can only notice with some glee that he obviously did not last long amongst men who would fight back. good riddance.
Wow, barely pointless. Are you some kind of forensic psychiatrist to understand so well how a 'nutter' would behave? If only they'd called you at the trial as an expert witness, they could have bypassed all this 'hospital' nonsense. A little harsh perhaps, but we have specialists who do understand how sick people behave and we have a judicial system with juries to make judgements based (among other things) on their expert witness.

Methuselah
10th August 2007, 09:56
I know you're not going to like this, but I don't agree. He was mentally ill, a schizophrenic according to the doctor from Broadmoor. So he probably wasn't in control of his actions. Yes, he should have been locked away for the rest of his life to protect the rest of us, but he didn't deserve to die.

Unlike the barsteward who tried to bomb Glasgow airport, who made a conscious choice to do what he did, and (in my opinion) deserved what he got.I do actually agree with that. I fear that he might not have been kept safely locked up, but he should have been.

And we should above all subject people only to the punishments that are judicially assigned. So indeed, one might say that even if schizophrenic he should be hanged. That at least would be an honest point of view. We should not say that he should be locked away and then cheer if he is murdered.

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 09:58
Mental illness is an illness like any other, and it's caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, which may just happen for no particular reason. You wouldn't say someone deserved to die just because they had cancer, would you?
My grandmother died of cancer and of course she didn't deserve to die.

You seem to believe that his actions are excusable because he was 'ill'. It is a load of rubbish. He picked on the weak and the elderly like only a true coward could.

Seems like we shall have to agree to disagree.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 09:59
he chose the rules first by killing what appears to be pensioners, and thus there seems to be a natural finality and justice to it.

Fair and square had nothing on these people who died at his hands.
'Chose' is an odd word when dealing with schizophrenia. His view of the world would have been wildly inaccurate so his 'choices' were not like ours.

BA to the Stars
10th August 2007, 10:00
I wonder if he stabbed himself :rolleyes:

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 10:02
'Chose' is an odd word when dealing with schizophrenia. His view of the world would have been wildly inaccurate so his 'choices' were not like ours.
Conicidence that they were all elderly - even the 2 that survived?

I believe not.

Here is something for all of you jumping to his defence and spouting about justice, illness and saying it was entirely beyond his control: I am glad he is dead. I am happy about it.

:smile

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:02
As he wasn't in control of his actions, I suppose that will provide comfort to the innocent victims. Unfortuanately, it is often cases like this that until someone gets hurt that the full extent of the perpetrators illness is known - we cannot lock everyone who might have such an illness away just in case but then again the innocent majority need to be protected. A tough one.
It is a tough one - I don't know the details of his guy, but locking up is not the only preventitive strategey. Thes cases often occur because of failures by the NHS to diagnose and treat people properly.

barely_pointless
10th August 2007, 10:03
he still picked easy targets, which indicates an ability to assess risk and outcome. Not something you typically find in "nutters"

Now if he was waving a 12 inch jamie oliver chef's knife and running around Camden tube naked and covered in excrement then fine.....

But he was not and it would appear that the jury who took 90 minutes also seem to be as you say.......forensic shrinks...


He made his choices and created his own rules by killing these helpless and unsuspecting people and then when he was made to live up to his rules he did not last very long, did he ?

frankly I'd rather have a beer with a bank robber than be in the same pub as someone like this........... more respect.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:04
Conicidence that they were all elderly - even the 2 that survived?

I believe not.

Here is something for all of you jumping to his defence and spouting about justice, illness and saying it was entirely beyond his control: I am glad he is dead. I am happy about it.

:smile
We know you are glad and happy. I am glad and happy I have a more rational analysis of this than you.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:04
he still picked easy targets, which indicates an ability to assess risk and outcome. Not something you typically find in "nutters"

So you are an expert on 'nutters'. Fantastic. Where did you do your training?

barely_pointless
10th August 2007, 10:06
So you are an expert on 'nutters'. Fantastic. Where did you do your training?


here.

Moose423956
10th August 2007, 10:06
You seem to believe that his actions are excusable because he was 'ill'. It is a load of rubbish. He picked on the weak and the elderly like only a true coward could.

Seems like we shall have to agree to disagree.

It's a difficult situation. I'm sure the relatives of the people he killed would think he deserved to die, whatever the reason for what he did.

On another day I'd probably agree with you. I guess I'm feeling a bit emotional at the moment.

Sorry about your gran by the way.

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 10:06
We know you are glad and happy. I am glad and happy I have a more rational analysis of this than you.
We?

Your opinion is different, OG, but because it is your opinion that does not mean it is more rational.

DimPrawn
10th August 2007, 10:06
Old Greg, do you think you could be so analytical and dismissive of blame, fully supportive of these peoples medical needs, if some mentally ill bloke brutally killed all your family one day?

shaunbhoy
10th August 2007, 10:10
it's caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain

Thankfully this current bout of death he is experiencing has equalised the balance again.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:11
here.
LOL - good to get some humour back into the debate :smile

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:18
We?

Your opinion is different, OG, but because it is your opinion that does not mean it is more rational.
It isn't more rational because it's mine. It's more rational because it looks at the relationship of causes and effects between, illness, healthcare, behaviour, politics and the judicial system, taking into consideration how mental illness manifests itself, how NHS mental health services continue to fail to diagnose and treat people properly, and how these failures can lead to violence in a small minority of schizophrenics.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:19
Old Greg, do you think you could be so analytical and dismissive of blame, fully supportive of these peoples medical needs, if some mentally ill bloke brutally killed all your family one day?
Probably not but what's that got to do with justice? If you want to stop these things happening, the answer isn't nastier punishment, it's better treatment.

TheFaQQer
10th August 2007, 10:25
He picked on the weak and the elderly like only a true coward could.

Unless, of course, he happened to have a psychotic, schizophrenic episode when he was near old people.

Maybe it was induced by being in a Post Office on a Tuesday?

The fact that he was ill should count for something - even the yanks don't fry those that are insane / ill and kill.

shaunbhoy
10th August 2007, 10:27
The fact that he was ill should count for something - even the yanks don't fry those that are insane / ill and kill.

Indeed, they simply elect them to High Office.
:eyes

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 10:35
It isn't more rational because it's mine. It's more rational because it looks at the relationship of causes and effects between, illness, healthcare, behaviour, politics and the judicial system, taking into consideration how mental illness manifests itself, how NHS mental health services continue to fail to diagnose and treat people properly, and how these failures can lead to violence in a small minority of schizophrenics.
It is still your opinion. It is what you believe about illnesses, healthcare, diagnosis faiings, etc.

Your opinion may be very PC, but I can't help but think about the situation from the victims' families perspective. He was ill, yes, but I don't weep for the system failing because he died. The innocent victims are the ones he stabbed.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 10:45
It is still your opinion. It is what you believe about illnesses, healthcare, diagnosis faiings, etc.

Your opinion may be very PC, but I can't help but think about the situation from the victims' families perspective. He was ill, yes, but I don't weep for the system failing because he died. The innocent victims are the ones he stabbed.
My opinion has nothing to do with PC, except in as much as the tabloid press has labelled loads of things PC which have nothing to do with Political Correctness.

richard-af
10th August 2007, 10:50
I am glad he is dead. I am happy about it.

:smile
I bet that's what he said about his victims.

zeitghost
10th August 2007, 11:03
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/6939722.stm

He'll not be missed. :wave: :banana: :rollin: :yay: :music:
Makes one feel sorry for his mum though...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4814122.stm

barely_pointless
10th August 2007, 11:09
This chap murdered some innocent folks, he then found himself, as a direct result of his previous actions, in a brutally unforgiving place, that eventually cost him his own life.

That's the rub, don't do 5hit that you cannot accept responsibility for.

same deal with the septics in Iraq, they blew god damn mother hell out of the place in a big shock and awe, went in and made a mess of the domestic situation toute suite,now they are complaining about how everyone hates them, which leads me to the same conclusion ..................don't do 5hit that you cannot accept responsibility for.

same deal with just about every bloody politican on earth., they never accept responsibility for their actions, infact thats why insurance companies thrive, because we are taught not to accept responsibility for our actions.


did not work in the case of this Gonzalez chap, I won't shed any tears, and I won't delight in his death, but I will delight in the sequence of natural justice.

Old Greg
10th August 2007, 11:13
[QUOTE=BBC]She said: "Despite our incessant pleas to health services, social services and to the police, Daniel was often turned away, passed from one group of professionals to another and left without the support and help he so obviously and desperately needed."


Victims Derek and Jean Robinson, Kevin Molloy and Marie Harding

She said phone calls had gone unanswered, notes had gone missing and various people had told her they could not help or had passed her on to someone else.

"We met individual decent, caring professionals who were dedicated and hard working, but even they could not sustain any support over time as Daniel was moved from one service to another," she said

Ms Savage said she had written a letter to social services at one point, asking: "Does my son have to commit murder to get help?"

And Ms Savage said her son had himself written a letter to his GP begging for help.

The letter, which he took to the doctor by hand, said: "Please, please, help me, this is very urgent.

'Shocked and horrified'

"I really, really do need medical help to find the correct environment and the correct medication."

Ms Savage said: "Every time we asked for help... we were told we would have to wait for a crisis to occur before he could have the help he needed.

"I did not know something dreadful was going to happen, but I was scared."
[QUOTE]
This is typical of systemic failures in healthcare. Some hardworking caring people in the NHS failing to deliver proper healthcare because of poor systems. Systemic failures are a key cause of 'adverse incident' (not a nice phrase, I know). Sometimes these are drug errors that can be fatal. Sometimes, it's people left at home to die by out-of-hours GP services. In this case, the results are dramatic and appalling because the ill person is not the prinicipal victim of the failures.

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 11:20
I bet that's what he said about his victims.
Nice.

Who knows. Some people, it seems, believe he was too ill to know what he was doing, so maybe he wasn't thinking anything of the sort.

Xenophon
10th August 2007, 11:31
And where does that leave his ambition to be a serial killer?
That particular career avenue is now well and truly closed...

daviejones
10th August 2007, 11:43
Justice is not just something that is dished out by the legal system...but I think he found his!!!