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    Dodgy is moonlighting as a journo

    Its as if the words where written by DA himself

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../29/do2901.xml


    Powerful rant against the welfare state by Dodgy... sorry Simon Heffer.

    SH seems to have all the answers but gives little thought of the consequences of dismantling the welfare state. I hate the welfare state but to be realistic, I think that social problems in this country would intensify markedly should it be dismantled.

    There are no evil thoughts except one: the refusal to think

    #2
    From one of the comments:

    "Note also that France, whose market interventionist, socialist policies you so despise pumped millions into industry in the 1980s but now have thriving, profitable auto, aerospace and heavy engineering sectors.
    This will serve them better than a couple of call centres in a business park adjoining a new town. "

    Surprisingly there are loads of Telegraph readers who are wise enough to agree that Thatcher's policies had a large part to play in what we are seeing today.
    Hard Brexit now!
    #prayfornodeal

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      #3
      Originally posted by sunnysan View Post
      Its as if the words where written by DA himself

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../29/do2901.xml


      Powerful rant against the welfare state by Dodgy... sorry Simon Heffer.

      SH seems to have all the answers but gives little thought of the consequences of dismantling the welfare state. I hate the welfare state but to be realistic, I think that social problems in this country would intensify markedly should it be dismantled.
      I was going to print this on the board myself but without saying who wrote it. You are quite right, I could not have put it better myself. What is interesting is that those who want to disagree with Heffers unpalatable "truth" prefer to dish him and the Telegraph rather than proffer any sort of reasoned counter debate.

      I see SAS has gone the Thatcher route without explaining the link about how her policies create and sustain an underclass
      Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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        #4
        Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
        I see SAS has gone the Thatcher route without explaining the link about how her policies create and sustain an underclass

        They did, Friedman et al called it the "natural level of unemployment". Only left wing mantra believes you can have full employment.
        The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

        But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
          They did, Friedman et al called it the "natural level of unemployment". Only left wing mantra believes you can have full employment.

          There is a difference between having people unemployed and building, sustaining and enlarging an underclass. These people to which Heffer refers are unemployable. If you think about it the only people who cannot work are the terminally ill or people with severe mental handicaps.
          Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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            #6
            Some connections do not make sense, like: how does paying someone to watch television at home lead their children to take up a gun and shoot an another child?

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              #7
              Originally posted by NoddY View Post
              Some connections do not make sense, like: how does paying someone to watch television at home lead their children to take up a gun and shoot an another child?
              Did you not see that episode of Noddy where big ears shoots pc plod?

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                #8
                Originally posted by NoddY View Post
                Some connections do not make sense, like: how does paying someone to watch television at home lead their children to take up a gun and shoot an another child?
                Because that person then has no responsibility for anything, not even themselves. It is society's way of telling someone "Sorry but you are incapable of looking after yourself". after a while they then detach from the whole of society whilst becoming dependent upon welfare. like any normal human being they deeply resent this patronage by society and loathe not being treated as equals with the rest. The spiral of nothingness rips their confidence apart and strips thenm of ambition to live and compete in "normal society". They then turn to fighting against it (dont we all?) which manifests itself at various levels from going around getting drunk , stealing to joining gangs in order to find some group that will accept them.

                So this spiral then extends to children (who are born to single parents because again society says we will only give you shelter and welfare if you have children).

                It is Janet and John psychology. we all know it. The more we give for nothing the less respect we earn. Just like rich parents (Paris Hilton) who give their children "all the things they themselves never had" (to which I say not having anything never did me any harm), and then find their children with too much time, too much money and so turn to drugs.

                The cruelty about welfare is that those who champion it do so for reasons of their own (guilt, envy of the rich... "look at how moral I am, I support welfare).

                The fact is that everyone should be made to work even for welfare.
                Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                  There is a difference between having people unemployed and building, sustaining and enlarging an underclass. These people to which Heffer refers are unemployable. If you think about it the only people who cannot work are the terminally ill or people with severe mental handicaps.
                  I agree to some extent but that article is ridiculous, he lets his prejudices get in the way of his argument. Suddenly all working class people are scroungers, that's absolutely not true, add to that his solution is to cut taxes to generate more jobs! These guys didn't want the jobs before the eastern Europeans came!

                  Then to say all state school education is crap

                  Mind you, he probably knows what he's doing, it is entertainment after all.
                  The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

                  But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                    There is a difference between having people unemployed and building, sustaining and enlarging an underclass. These people to which Heffer refers are unemployable. If you think about it the only people who cannot work are the terminally ill or people with severe mental handicaps.
                    1) Intelligence is mainly pot luck at birth. And since most people cannot start a business (including most on here), people are going to rely on existing enterprises to find employment. So for people who cannot work in service/knowledge industries, the trades or manufacturing are their only options. Since our manufacturing industry is the smallest in the western world, we will invariably have a larger underclass.

                    2) Secondly Labour have made things worse by allowing unfettered immigration from Eastern Europe. The Polish guys who worked on my flat (efficiently and cheaply) can only do it so cheaply because they have left their families behind and are housed in "male dorms". So saying local workmen can compete is bollocks.

                    I do dislike simple-minded right-wing thinking. It's as silly and idealistic as its left-wing variant.
                    Last edited by sasguru; 29 August 2007, 13:12.
                    Hard Brexit now!
                    #prayfornodeal

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