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    Saudis and China ready to 'nuke' the Dollar


    All extracts from The Telegraph ...



    Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time, signalling that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East.

    Mr Redeker said the biggest danger for the dollar is that falling US rates will at some point trigger a reversal yen "carry trade", causing massive flows from the US back to Japan.

    Jim Rogers, the commodity king and former partner of George Soros, said the Federal Reserve was playing with fire by cutting rates so aggressively at a time when the dollar was already under pressure.

    The risk is that flight from US bonds could push up the long-term yields that form the base price of credit for most mortgages, the driving the property market into even deeper crisis.

    "If Ben Bernanke starts running those printing presses even faster than he's already doing, we are going to have a serious recession. The dollar's going to collapse, the bond market's going to collapse. There's going to be a lot of problems," he said.


    The Federal Reserve, however, clearly calculates the risk of a sudden downturn is now so great that the it outweighs dangers of a dollar slide.

    Former Fed chief Alan Greenspan said this week that house prices may fall by "double digits" as the subprime crisis bites harder, prompting households to cut back sharply on spending.

    For Saudi Arabia, the dollar peg has clearly become a liability. Inflation has risen to 4pc and the M3 broad money supply is surging at 22pc.


    CHINA Threatens US with Nuclear Option


    The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.


    Fistful of dollars - China's trade surplus reached $26.9bn in June


    Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (£658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress.

    Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies.

    Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

    It would also cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession. It is estimated that China holds over $900bn in a mix of US bonds.

    Xia Bin, finance chief at the Development Research Centre (which has cabinet rank), kicked off what now appears to be government policy with a comment last week that Beijing's foreign reserves should be used as a "bargaining chip" in talks with the US.

    "Of course, China doesn't want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order," he added.

    He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, went even further today, letting it be known that Beijing had the power to set off a dollar collapse if it choose to do so.

    #2
    China nuking the dollar eh. That would be a smart move - wonder who the biggest loser in that one would be ...

    Somehow I imagine there could be a bit of a backlash against Chinese goods in it's biggest market if the American people thought China were responsible ...
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      #3
      There could be a whole lot of money to be made when the currencies go up and down like a brides nightie.

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        #4
        Originally posted by snaw View Post
        China nuking the dollar eh. That would be a smart move - wonder who the biggest loser in that one would be ...

        Somehow I imagine there could be a bit of a backlash against Chinese goods in it's biggest market if the American people thought China were responsible ...
        Certainly it would be the USA - if the Saudis and the Chinese destroyed the Dollar and upsurped it as the Global Fiat Currency - then another currency would replace the Dollar.

        It wasnt very long ago when the Chinese millitary openly threatened to nuke the USA should it intervene in Chinas aim to occupy Taiwan.

        These people are not to be taken lightly.

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          #5
          Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock View Post
          Certainly it would be the USA - if the Saudis and the Chinese destroyed the Dollar and upsurped it as the Global Fiat Currency - then another currency would replace the Dollar.

          It wasnt very long ago when the Chinese millitary openly threatened to nuke the USA should it intervene in Chinas aim to occupy Taiwan.

          These people are not to be taken lightly.
          Think you've kind of missed the point. More than half of Chinas exports go to the US. If they bomb the currency then you think that situation would stay the same? The US economy is open enough to recovr from that kind of situation, I'm no so sure the Chinese economy would be so resilient when it's major market dives and/or closes to them. Not too mention destroy any credibility it has with the rest of the major world economies.

          The Saudis wouldn't dream of destroying the dollar - the whole regime is in bed with the US and relies on US support - and again same deal, where do you think most Saudi oil get's sold. I tink this story is just pure rubbish to be honest but keep on going with your conspiracy theories, they're amusing reading.
          Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith

          Any forum is a collection of assorted weirdos, cranks and pervs - Board Game Geek

          That will be a simply fab time to catch up for a beer. - Tay

          Have you ever seen somebody lick the chutney spoon in an Indian Restaurant and put it back ? - Cyberghoul

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            #6
            The Saudis wouldn't dream of destroying the dollar - the whole regime is in bed with the US and relies on US support

            But are they - or perhaps the US relies on the Saudis than vice versa ?

            Bin Ladens stated aim was to destroy the US economically - as he did with the Soviet Union - and there are many extremists in Saudi Arabia who support this aim- least we forget the Saudis who manned the Sep 1th planes.

            For those Saudis who have invested in the US - the weakening Dollar will make other currencies far more attractive - the Euro and possibly the Yen spring to mind.
            Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 21 September 2007, 15:14.

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              #7
              First up I'm 110% certain that OBL doesn't dictate Saudi foreign policy, and I'm pretty sure that his supporters in Saudi don't have that kind of influence (To destabalise the US currency I mean).

              For those Saudis who have invested in the US - the weakening Dollar will make other currencies far more attractive - the Euro and possibly the Yen spring to mind.
              Not sure what you mean by this, doesn't make any sense. If they've invested in the US then the weakening dollar goes against them, since they'll buy less with it.
              Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith

              Any forum is a collection of assorted weirdos, cranks and pervs - Board Game Geek

              That will be a simply fab time to catch up for a beer. - Tay

              Have you ever seen somebody lick the chutney spoon in an Indian Restaurant and put it back ? - Cyberghoul

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                #8
                Originally posted by snaw View Post
                First up I'm 110% certain that OBL doesn't dictate Saudi foreign policy, and I'm pretty sure that his supporters in Saudi don't have that kind of influence (To destabalise the US currency I mean).



                Not sure what you mean by this, doesn't make any sense. If they've invested in the US then the weakening dollar goes against them, since they'll buy less with it.
                Yes but as the dollar continues to drop - then there comes a cutoff point where to cut ones losses one switches currenecys before ones investment becomes worthless.

                As for the Saudi elite - make no mistake- should the dollar tank- they would have no compunction in pulling the plug on the USA .
                Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 21 September 2007, 15:43.

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                  #9
                  Will this happen before or after the eye-ranian oil burse opens?

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