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Spacecadet
4th October 2007, 07:32
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7027322.stm

No, I couldn't believe it either

(Yes i know the title looks like it was written by a non native speaker of the language)

Moscow Mule
4th October 2007, 07:49
Voted for by tourists - they don't have to suffer the northern line at 8am!!!

Devlin
4th October 2007, 08:13
As much as I whinge about it, I have to say for a city the size of London it ain't really bad compared to other cities.

BoredBloke
4th October 2007, 08:14
I'd say given the volumes it has to deal with it's not that bad. It's way better than outside London. Not sure it's the best in the world though.

PRC1964
4th October 2007, 08:26
What's the matter with you lot? I don't expect to come to CUK and find people claiming something British is working.

I want more of this :tantrum::tantrum::tantrum:

Bah humbug etc.

Moscow Mule
4th October 2007, 08:27
What's the matter with you lot? I don't expect to come to CUK and find people claiming something British is working.

I want more of this :tantrum::tantrum::tantrum:

Bah humbug etc.

As you wish -

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wendigo100
4th October 2007, 08:48
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7027322.stm

No, I couldn't believe it either

(Yes i know the title looks like it was written by a non native speaker of the language)Well Stuttgart knocked spots off London when I was out there. I don't suppose they get as many tourists though.

Francko
4th October 2007, 08:52
Well Stuttgart knocked spots off London when I was out there. I don't suppose they get as many tourists though.

I think it's unfair to compare cities of 200-300k people with 10 million people cities so you can only compare London transport to a few cities in Europe.

Perhaps Paris can give a run for the money but I find it ridicolous when they want to compare Amsterdam or Zurich transport systems with London.

King Cnvt
4th October 2007, 08:55
What about the likes of New York, Tokyo?

Haven't the Chinese or Indians sorted out their transport systems with all the trillions $$$ they have?

sasguru
4th October 2007, 08:59
I think it's unfair to compare cities of 200-300k people with 10 million people cities so you can only compare London transport to a few cities in Europe.

Perhaps Paris can give a run for the money but I find it ridicolous when they want to compare Amsterdam or Zurich transport systems with London.

Indeed. For a city of 8 million the transport is pretty good, if expensive.
Perhaps not in rush hour though.
A German acquaintance claims the bus system here should be the envy of the world. Of course this was before Ken's bendy buses.

Spacecadet
4th October 2007, 09:01
What about the likes of New York, Tokyo?

Haven't the Chinese or Indians sorted out their transport systems with all the trillions $$$ they have?

I've been to Singapore and used the MRT, LRT and buses extensively and found them very clean, spacious and able to cope with rush hour usage.

sasguru
4th October 2007, 09:03
What about the likes of New York, Tokyo?

Haven't the Chinese or Indians sorted out their transport systems with all the trillions $$$ they have?

New York is slightly worse than London, IMHO. Tokyo by all I've read must be good.
China and India are indeed modernising their transport systems. India will spend half a billion in the next few years modernising their infrastructure. Lucrative contracts for Western companies in the offing.
You know what shares to buy. Kerchiiingggggg!

Bagpuss
4th October 2007, 09:04
One thing for sure is you don't need a car in London, about the only city in the UK where you can comfortably get away with it.

sasguru
4th October 2007, 09:32
One thing for sure is you don't need a car in London, about the only city in the UK where you can comfortably get away with it.

Aye. My total travel bill each month is £105.
No car tax, road tax, petrol and maintenance

DBA_bloke
4th October 2007, 09:50
London transport is, no matter what YOU think, one of the best transport systems there is anywhere. The only way it could be improved would be to kill half of all Londoners, to reduce the sheer volume of passengers. Volunteers?

sasguru
4th October 2007, 10:14
London transport is, no matter what YOU think, one of the best transport systems there is anywhere. The only way it could be improved would be to kill half of all Londoners, to reduce the sheer volume of passengers. Volunteers?

So our Islamist friends are only acting in our best interests?
Makes you all warm and glowing inside.

Devlin
4th October 2007, 10:15
NYC is quite good, but not as extensive as London, you can often be a long walk from one of the stations.

Peter Loew
4th October 2007, 10:17
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7027322.stm

No, I couldn't believe it either

(Yes i know the title looks like it was written by a non native speaker of the language)

What a crock of shi*

chef
4th October 2007, 10:18
feck off.. central line at rush hr is a joke..

having a big fat mamma shove her sweaty armpit in your face is repulsive

listening to "yeah but how do i get there? INNIT" winds me up loads

DLR is nice though, no driver ooooooooo

DBA_bloke
4th October 2007, 10:21
feck off.. central line at rush hr is a joke..

having a big fat mamma shove her sweaty armpit in your face is repulsive

listening to "yeah but how do i get there? INNIT" winds me up loads

DLR is nice though, no driver ooooooooo

The clue is in the question, as loveable old Wogan used to say: Rush Hour. RUSH HOUR! Of course it's shit! It's RUSH HOUR!

Not So Wise
4th October 2007, 11:03
From the perspective of a tourist it could easily be the best in the world because without doubt one London has one of the most extensive public transport systems (and why not, they have been building it for around 100 years or more) and outside of rush-hour (and how many tourists travel at rush hour?) it is generally hassle free to travel, with newer lines like Jubilee clean and well lit

For those that live here and require it to get to work though it is totally different because they normally have to use it at the worst times of of the day, when all the cracks in the system are plainly obvious (mainly volume of demand vs capacity)

I note also they mention that the tourists consider it the most expensive, what the article does not highlight is by how much, when you compare it to the runner up for the 2nd best transport system (and also the 2nd most expensive), New York, the differences are huge.

In London a one day travel card (1-6) is somewhere around £6.30 where a similar card in Yew York is around £3.50, nearly exactly half the price. This difference is roughly the same for single/return tickets and any other comparible ticket types

And from conversations over the years with people it is the same pretty much everywhere when comparing any similar sized city against London (UK)

We pay double (or in most cases more) when compared to anywhere else but we defiantly don't get twice the service

sasguru
4th October 2007, 11:11
In London a one day travel card (1-6) is somewhere around £6.30 where a similar card in Yew York is around £3.50, nearly exactly half the price. This difference is roughly the same for single/return tickets and any other comparible ticket types



2 points:
- The New York travelcard covers a much smaller area than London,
zones 1-6 is a huge area.
- Most londoners get a monthly (or more) travelcard on their oyster, for unlimited travel on trains, tubes and buses, for the zones they live in.
The monthly travelcard for all five zones (which most Londoners wouldn't need) is £150 per month which is about £5 per day. Not too bad for unlimited travel on buses, trains and tubes anywhere, anytime in the most expensive city in the world.

daviejones
4th October 2007, 11:13
What about the likes of New York, Tokyo?

Haven't the Chinese or Indians sorted out their transport systems with all the trillions $$$ they have?

I am sure the MTR in Hong Kong moves more people and it is so reliable it puts us to shame...

Lucy
4th October 2007, 12:34
Aye. My total travel bill each month is £105.
No car tax, road tax, petrol and maintenance

Including the wear on your knuckles?

Lucy
4th October 2007, 12:35
2 points:
- The New York travelcard covers a much smaller area than London,
zones 1-6 is a huge area.
- Most londoners get a monthly (or more) travelcard on their oyster, for unlimited travel on trains, tubes and buses, for the zones they live in.
The monthly travelcard for all five zones (which most Londoners wouldn't need) is £150 per month which is about £5 per day. Not too bad for unlimited travel on buses, trains and tubes anywhere, anytime in the most expensive city in the world.

London is not the most expensive city in the world.

NickFitz
4th October 2007, 12:41
Voted for by tourists - they don't have to suffer the northern line at 8am!!!

I use the Northern Line at around 9am for a half hour journey - it's not at all bad then, particularly starting from a terminus so I'm guaranteed my choice of seat :D

Hope the client doesn't start expecting me to get in for 8:30 any time soon.. :eek:

Lambros
4th October 2007, 21:35
London Transport gets my vote. Those living outside London don't know what is it like in the rest of the country.

My son is 11 years old and has to travel 15 miles to get to his school in gloucester. He has to be driven three miles to the nearest bus stop in Newham and when the bus turns up it takes him to the Glouecester Park and Ride and then another bus turns up to take him to school. He leaves home at 07.00 and gets home at 17.30 and school finishes at 15.30. BTW he is a year 7 pupil and 11 years old and has to endure a two hour journey home everyday.

Lucy
4th October 2007, 21:38
London Transport gets my vote. Those living outside London don't know what is it like in the rest of the country.

My son is 11 years old and has to travel 15 miles to get to his school in gloucester. He has to be driven three miles to the nearest bus stop in Newham and when the bus turns up it takes him to the Glouecester Park and Ride and then another bus turns up to take him to school. He leaves home at 07.00 and gets home at 17.30 and school finishes at 15.30. BTW he is a year 7 pupil and 11 years old and has to endure a two hour journey home everyday.


How did you choose which school to send him to?
Have you thought of living closer, surely he is your priority?
Have you thought of being a fulltime carer and driving him both ways?
Please don't blame the government for your choices.

DBA_bloke
8th October 2007, 08:18
How did you choose which school to send him to?
Have you thought of living closer, surely he is your priority?
Have you thought of being a fulltime carer and driving him both ways?
Please don't blame the government for your choices.

Harsh, but true.

SquishedBunny
21st December 2007, 11:25
Having suffered through rush hour on the underground systems in Tokyo, HK, Singapore, Beijing, Madrid, Seoul, New Delhi, Melbourne, and London I'd have to say that they all suffer from over crowding during rush hour to varying degrees.
There are some good points about the London tube: stations are walking distance apart, service is frequent, only 1 operator so only 1 ticket.
Unfortunately its good points are overshadowed by the problems brought about not having a continuous infrastructure improvement program. The majority of the trains are out of date, the stations are cramped and dirty (although the new platforms at Bank aren't too bad), there’s no cool/heating in stations or on trains, and no where else in the world have I have I had to blow black crud out of my nose after being on an underground train (Victoria line is the worst for this, you can actually see smoke when standing on the platform).
The one thing that did amuse me when I first arrived in London was the constant announcements that there was a 'good service' on all the lines. Everywhere else (especially Tokyo & HK) a good service is just expected, it's not such an infrequent event that I need to be informed of it. Honestly do they want a present and a pat on the back every time there is a train isn’t late?