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    Alcohol Concern

    This morning while getting ready to leave the house we had some guy on the BBC breakfast news from Alcohol Concern promoting increased taxes on booze to cut binge drinking. Then at work we have BBC News 24 playing in the canteen. Another guy from Alcohol Concern was on there with the same line. Why is there nobody voicing their opposition to higher alcohol taxes? Why should I pay more to have a drink simply because some chav kids are getting pi55ed and causing fights. It seems to me that this is simply a campaign to increase taxes so that it can be justified in the budget next week.

    If they wanted to stop kids getting pi55ed then the easiest way is to cut their supply by hitting the retailers if they sell to underage kids rather than fining everybody else.
    Rule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.

    I preferred version 1!

    #2
    Before Dim says it:

    It's only fair...

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      #3
      Originally posted by TonyEnglish View Post
      If they wanted to stop kids getting pi55ed then the easiest way is to cut their supply by hitting the retailers if they sell to underage kids rather than fining everybody else.
      Nope - the easiest way is to tax everyone into oblivion so that you can't get alcohol anywhere.

      Because that worked so well in America during Prohibition - it reduced crime no end

      That said - hitting retailers for selling to underage drinkers involves some kind of investigation and prosecution. It's much easier to make the cost of alcohol prohibitively expensive - and, gosh, if that hits those that it wasn't intended to, isn't that a shame...
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        #4
        Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post
        Nope - the easiest way is to tax everyone into oblivion so that you can't get alcohol anywhere.

        Because that worked so well in America during Prohibition - it reduced crime no end

        That said - hitting retailers for selling to underage drinkers involves some kind of investigation and prosecution. It's much easier to make the cost of alcohol prohibitively expensive - and, gosh, if that hits those that it wasn't intended to, isn't that a shame...
        The scary version?

        Already the British people have learnt we no longer live under a democracy, no matter what we oppose it goes ahead anyway, why even bother trying eh?

        It's only fair.
        "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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          #5
          Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post

          That said - hitting retailers for selling to underage drinkers involves some kind of investigation and prosecution. It's much easier to make the cost of alcohol prohibitively expensive - and, gosh, if that hits those that it wasn't intended to, isn't that a shame...
          Actually if you made the age to buy booze at a shop 21 and the age to drink in a pub 18 that would cut a lot of the problems out. If you look at the kids hanging around the streets, most are under 18. The reason being that they go to pubs rather than freezing their nuts off outside. What you see hanging about and causing problems tends to be kids aged 13 to 16. Often these can look 18 (espcially girls who can apply a bit of make up) however a 16 year old girl would struggle to look 21. That way it is easy for the retailer to refuse the sale.
          Rule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.

          I preferred version 1!

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            #6
            Originally posted by TonyEnglish View Post
            Actually if you made the age to buy booze at a shop 21 and the age to drink in a pub 18 that would cut a lot of the problems out. If you look at the kids hanging around the streets, most are under 18. The reason being that they go to pubs rather than freezing their nuts off outside. What you see hanging about and causing problems tends to be kids aged 13 to 16. Often these can look 18 (espcially girls who can apply a bit of make up) however a 16 year old girl would struggle to look 21. That way it is easy for the retailer to refuse the sale.
            It makes it even easier to get alcohol if kids can just go to the local supermarket to get it. I know checkout operators are told to check on ages but how many of them do this when they're pressured to keep their queue moving and out the door.
            It's Deja-vu all over again!

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              #7
              Originally posted by TonyEnglish View Post
              Actually if you made the age to buy booze at a shop 21 and the age to drink in a pub 18 that would cut a lot of the problems out. If you look at the kids hanging around the streets, most are under 18. The reason being that they go to pubs rather than freezing their nuts off outside. What you see hanging about and causing problems tends to be kids aged 13 to 16. Often these can look 18 (espcially girls who can apply a bit of make up) however a 16 year old girl would struggle to look 21. That way it is easy for the retailer to refuse the sale.
              The only way to be sure of someone's age is to make them prove it so they should be made to carry some proof of age......

              ......some thing like...........erm..........

              Id cards!!
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                #8
                Originally posted by Bear View Post
                The only way to be sure of someone's age is to make them prove it so they should be made to carry some proof of age......

                ......some thing like...........erm..........

                Id cards!!

                One of the biggest amateur sports in the USA is the forging of fake ID cards.
                That means all the shops that sold goods to people would have to invest in ID card scanners to read the biometric data on the cards....

                hmmmmmm.......... a plan B is being born......
                It's Deja-vu all over again!

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                  #9
                  I think most people would be more open to the idea if additional revenue raised went to alcohol concern or similar charities, instead of direct to the gov't coffers

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                    #10
                    None of that will solve the problem my granny highlighted the other day, where she gets accosted by the local underage scrotes almost threatening her to go and buy them alcohol. At least they offer to pay for it.

                    The common excuse for them hanging around the streets is they have nothing better to do. Why not simply recruit them into community programmes if they insist on loitering on the streets?
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