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Lance Corporal Stephen - didn't come home

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    Lance Corporal Stephen - didn't come home

    LANCE-CORPORAL Barry Stephen of the Black Watch went to war on his birthday. The congratulatory e-mails sent by his family would have to wait: he and his fellow soldiers had a nation to liberate, a dictator to vanquish and weapons of mass destruction to secure.

    Three days later, the fourth day of the war, he was dead: the first Scot killed in a river of blood that continues to flow fiercely five years on.

    On 24 March, 2003 L-Cpl Stephen, 31, was on the outskirts of the southern town of Az Zubayr when his patrol was ambushed. He broke through the escape hatches of his armoured personnel carrier in order to man the machine gun but was killed by a rocket-propelled grenade.

    His flag-draped coffin was the tenth one carried off the Hercules aircraft at RAF Brize Norton, the sight of which almost caused his father to crumple. After the funeral in Perth, where the Union flag was replaced at the family's insistence by a Saltire, Alistair Stephen and the family were given his laptop. "The e-mails were all unopened," said Mr Stephen.

    "I try not to dwell on it," he explained. "I don't like to watch the television reports. I don't want my son to have died for nothing.

    I try to concentrate on the fact that he believed he was going over there to liberate and help the Iraqi people, but you can't help but think it's a load of crap.

    We took out Saddam Hussein and then a lot of gangsters have come in and taken his place. I mean: did it do some good?"



    On the eve of the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, a conflict that has cost the lives of 175 British soldiers, 3,990 American soldiers and, at a minimum, 100,000 Iraqi civilians, it is a question that is echoing out across the globe.

    This was never part of the plan when, five years ago tomorrow, 200,000 US troops and 45,000 British soldiers, supported by the "coalition of the willing" and without the support of the United Nations moved in to rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein and seize his stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, some of which, the public were assured, could be used to threaten Britain within just 45 minutes. Military forces would be welcomed as liberators, oil revenues would fund reconstruction and Iraq would become a democratic beacon amid the political darkness of the Middle East.

    Instead, after a brief honeymoon period, allied forces became the targets of an armed insurgency. . A new United Nations report, published yesterday, said Iraqis made up, at 38,286, the largest group of asylum seekers in the EU, a rise of almost 100 per cent on the previous year.


    When Samuel McArdle, a retired paper mill worker from Glenrothes, Fife, watches the evening news he cannot help but think of that November day when his grandson, Private Scott McArdle, 22, of the elite reconnaissance platoon, with two other Scots soldiers, gave his life for the cause of Iraqi freedom.

    "It's sad," said Mr McArdle, 68, "right sad to see what has happened to his cause. Look at the country – nothing good is coming out of it. I was watching a programme last night. They had to build walls around the city, keeping one half away from the other – is that what it was about?"

    It is a sentiment shared by the families of anything from 100,000 to 1 million Iraqis, such is the gulf between the estimates of the civilian dead. Last night tensions between the Sunnis, who enjoyed power under Saddam and the Shiites, then oppressed but now favoured with authority, continued.

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    Do any of you know the difference between "Sunni" and "Shi'a" Muslims?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Churchill View Post
      Do any of you know the difference between "Sunni" and "Shi'a" Muslims?
      Yes. Is this a serious question - or rhetorical pisstake?
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        #4
        Originally posted by Churchill View Post
        Do any of you know the difference between "Sunni" and "Shi'a" Muslims?
        Yes, there are lots. Essentially Shia is more like the catholic chuch, and like a Pope they have a supreme Imam. Sunni is more like the lots of different protestant groupings, no formal clergy as such. The splits are mainly on tribal grounds. And they pray differently.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Churchill View Post
          Do any of you know the difference between "Sunni" and "Shi'a" Muslims?
          Does it matter? Probably the same as the difference between a Roman Catholic, an Anglican and a Presbyterian.
          It's Deja-vu all over again!

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            #6
            I have a brother who is a major in 1para. He was in Iraq. If he had died I would like to think I would say "he died doing a job he loved serving his country".

            Alas I would probably say "he died doing a job he loved serving the labour spin machine".

            One of the reasons he is leaving the army and moving to Jersey with his gf.

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              #7
              Originally posted by KathyWoolfe View Post
              Does it matter? Probably the same as the difference between a Roman Catholic, an Anglican and a Presbyterian.
              I am sure I posted a joke on that in the joke thread.

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                #8
                It really annoys me this...

                Soldiers know that when they sign up they may one day have to go to war and YES they will get shot at and YES they may get killed.

                Jeez..

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by HRH View Post
                  It really annoys me this...

                  Soldiers know that when they sign up they may one day have to go to war and YES they will get shot at and YES they may get killed.

                  Jeez..
                  Maybe their relatives would like to feel they gave their lives for a purpose.

                  We are not all motivated by money.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by KathyWoolfe View Post
                    Does it matter? Probably the same as the difference between a Roman Catholic, an Anglican and a Presbyterian.
                    The Sunni Muslims are deemed to have sold out to the Caliphs and to have feathered their own nests at the expense of the fundementals of the religion.

                    Pretty much like the Catholic Church...

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