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What makes this housing down turn different

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    What makes this housing down turn different

    US prices are now down average of 10% in one year. If this is mirrored in the UK, and let's face it prices are going to plummet big time, it is very serious, way worse than the 90's.

    Why, because in the late 80's early '90's, interest rates were much higher and mortgage rates halved by 1995, allowing the market to re-ignite. Negative equity was less of a problem then, as although negative equity mortgagees could not re-mortgage with other banks, they would be on a steadily falling standard rate. Overall their pain would be falling.

    Now it's different in the wrong way. Morgage rates are now higher and will stay high. The artifically low rates that enabled people to over borrow to buy overpriced houses are gone. With negative equity they cannot remortgage, when their fixed terms end. Interest only meant they never repaid a % of capital. Technically many will be insolvent. They will be forced onto their lenders standard rate which could see sub primers paying 9%. Many, maybe 1m will foreclose and be homeless. Another 2m people will see their payments skyrocket by 50%. This will make the 90's downturn look like a cakewalk.

    I think the govenment will have to nationalise a large chunk of the housing stock. Maybe they can buy out the BTL sector, of which many a punter will be wiped out if prices fall 20%. A return to council housing by the back door you could say.

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    I'd say prices need to go down at least 50% to be sensible, probably more in London.

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      #3
      Originally posted by AtW View Post
      I'd say prices need to go down at least 50% to be sensible, probably more in London.
      50% is actually quite a reasonable figure. For me, this would be the nominal reduction based on peak prices in late 2007. However, the Pound will continue to see a significant inflation during 2008 leading to extreme pressure on wages.

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        #4
        Originally posted by AtW View Post
        I'd say prices need to go down at least 50% to be sensible, probably more in London.
        You still won't be able to afford any. Perhaps if they go down 99.94% you might have a chance.
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          #5
          Originally posted by NoddY View Post
          However, the Pound will continue to see a significant inflation during 2008 leading to extreme pressure on wages.
          No chance - nobody will have a job as it will have all gone to low cost countries.
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            #6
            Originally posted by NoddY View Post
            50% is actually quite a reasonable figure. For me, this would be the nominal reduction based on peak prices in late 2007. However, the Pound will continue to see a significant inflation during 2008 leading to extreme pressure on wages.
            I agree - 50% down would be okay prices, to be honest given panic it will create I think some places will be down by over 60% - effectively, because I think we will see combination of falling prices AND wage inflation, that's really the only way out to avoid really big crash, say if prices go down by 30% and then wage inflation will effectively cancel out another 15-20% then maybe things will be back to normal.

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              #7
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              I agree - 50% down would be okay prices, to be honest given panic it will create I think some places will be down by over 60% - effectively, because I think we will see combination of falling prices AND wage inflation, that's really the only way out to avoid really big crash, say if prices go down by 30% and then wage inflation will effectively cancel out another 15-20% then maybe things will be back to normal.
              If that happens, and well before that actually, punters will be returning the keys back on mass and walking away. I think the govt will have to step in and start buying up these houses from the banks. Like I said, it's back to the future with council houses. Could have some strange effects if they take over some of those swanky city appts such as in Docklands. When the chavs move in it will demolish any remaining value, leading to a cascade as every owner and BTL'er quits. They will become the new council tower blocks

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                #8
                Originally posted by Turion View Post
                If that happens, and well before that actually, punters will be returning the keys back on mass and walking away. I think the govt will have to step in and start buying up these houses from the banks.
                Govt has got no money. Punters will have to pay 8-9% interest rate or lose their house. This will certainly mean they will have to take a cut to living standards - BoE chairman already mentioned that will happen, people are just not paying attention.

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                  #9
                  Yes, the government would never do such a sensible thing as buy cheap houses and put poor people in them. More likely they would dish out grants and loans for private landlords to buy them and then rent back to the government.

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                    #10
                    Like I say: 80%, and that's not todays prices, but when I first said it years ago.

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