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    Foreign banks flee Spanish property debt

    Foreign banks flee Spanish property debt
    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Madrid
    Last Updated: 1:06am BST 04/04/2008

    International banks are scrambling to sell their holdings of Spanish mortgage debt at a steep discount, fearing that the country may be sliding into the worst economic downturn in its modern history.

    A blizzard of grim data has soured the mood, capped yesterday by a plunge in PMI purchasing managers' index to an all-time low of 40.9. Car sales fell 28pc in March, and even Madrid's legendary tapas bars seem to have lost their late-night sparkle.

    The Spanish government is preparing a €20bn spending blitz on high speed railways and other mega-projects to cushion the downturn

    Inmobiliaria Colonial - once the country's biggest property group --is in emergency talks with banks after Dubai's Investment Corporation pulled out of a rescue deal.

    Developer Martinsa Fadesa is struggling to restructure €5bn of debt to stave off insolvency.

    Traders says the market price for Spanish mortgage securities has begun to slide abruptly, replicating the pattern seen in the US last year. Large French and German funds and insurers appear to be liqudiating assets in a pre-emptive move, afraid being caught yet again in a violent downturn.

    Ismael Clemente, head of Deutsche Bank's property arm RREEF in Spain, told a panel of experts in Madrid that foreign banks were now dumping Spansih mortgaged debt at a 40pc discount. (AtW's comment: this means they expect drops of considerably more than that)

    Mikel Echavarren, director of the property consultancy Irea, said Spain's housing market was far weaker than the official statitics suggest, warning that prices could fall 20pc to 25pc.

    "All kinds of ploys have been used to disguise the true extent of the price falls, which we think are 5pc to 7pc already. Buyers have totally abandoned the market. We've had a wave of negative sales as people pull out of commitments already made," he said.

    "We have a very worrying situation. The developers simply cannot refinance their debts. We need to cut interest rates by 2pc, which is obviously not going to happen," he said, adding that the crash could be sharper than the property crisis in the early 1990s.

    Santiago Baena, head of Spain's estate agents lobby API, said the downturn had already forced 40,000 agents to close their doors, laying off 120,000 staff.

    The Bank of Spain said default rates would rise but insisted that the Spanish banking system remains in good health, without much exposure to the US subprime debacle. The loan-to-value ratio on mortgages was kept to 70pc - although a report in Germany's Die Welt newspaper today alleges that false pricing was often used to circumvent the rule.

    The authorities said that a crisis comparable to the early 1990s (when bad debts reached 13.1pc) would erode the capital base of the banking system by 63pc, a manageable level. The developers owe €290bn to the banks and lenders, known as'cajas".

    The government is preparing a €20bn spending blitz on high speed railways and other mega-projects to cushion the downturn. Spain's trump card is a budget surplus of 2pc of GDP last year, leaving in ample scope for fiscal stimulus - in sharp contrast to Italy, France, and Britain.

    The root cause of the crisis is in a sense Europe's monetary union. The euro effect halved Spain's interest rates almost overnight. Rates then fell below Spain's inflation rate for several years, fuelling an explosive credit boom. The country's current account deficit has reached 10pc of GDP, the highest of any major economy.

    The process has now kicked into reverse. Mortgage rates - priced off three-month Euribor - have nearly doubled since late 2005.

    David Owen, Europe economists at Drsedner Kleinwort, said Spain was waking up to the reality that there will be no quick-fix. "They are no longer arguing about whether there will be a recessoin, but about how deep it will be," he said.

    "Spain is no longer able to set monteary policy for its own needs. It could face zero-growth for five years," he said.

    ABC newspaper reported that the Bank of Spain rushed its Financial Stability Report into print two months early in order to refute "tendentious" claims in the British media that Spain's banks had become reliant on emergency funding from the ECB after the capital markets seized up.

    The banks have been issuing mortgage bonds on a large scale to use a collateral at the ECB's lending indow, raising concerns that they are becoming dependent on taxpayer funding. The Bank of Spain said they had borrowed €44bn from the ECB, insisting that this was "fully consistent" with EU rules.

    The ECB said its latest €25bn auction of six-month funding this week was heavily over-subscribed, with €103bn of bids from 177 banks at rates as high as 4.88 pc. It did not reveal how much of the bidding came from Spain.

    Deutsche Bank expects house prices to fall 8pc this year as the market struggles to clear a glut of unsold homes. Construction peaked in 2006 when last year when 740,000 new housing units were built - more than in Germany and Britain combined. (AtW's comment: they tend to rent more in Germany though, and also they actually manufacture real goods that people want, ie Porsche's where is this country now relies on bulltuliping sadgurus)

    Standard & Poor's said Spain risked a "major collapse" in construction after a 40pc fall in housing permits. Building has accounted on a fifth of all jobs created in Spain since 2000. It said the country faced a "major and likely painful adjstment".

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    The end is nigh now....

    #2
    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Foreign banks flee Spanish property debt
    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Madrid
    Last Updated: 1:06am BST 04/04/2008

    International banks are scrambling to sell their holdings of Spanish mortgage debt at a steep discount, fearing that the country may be sliding into the worst economic downturn in its modern history.

    A blizzard of grim data has soured the mood, capped yesterday by a plunge in PMI purchasing managers' index to an all-time low of 40.9. Car sales fell 28pc in March, and even Madrid's legendary tapas bars seem to have lost their late-night sparkle.

    The Spanish government is preparing a €20bn spending blitz on high speed railways and other mega-projects to cushion the downturn

    Inmobiliaria Colonial - once the country's biggest property group --is in emergency talks with banks after Dubai's Investment Corporation pulled out of a rescue deal.

    Developer Martinsa Fadesa is struggling to restructure €5bn of debt to stave off insolvency.

    Traders says the market price for Spanish mortgage securities has begun to slide abruptly, replicating the pattern seen in the US last year. Large French and German funds and insurers appear to be liqudiating assets in a pre-emptive move, afraid being caught yet again in a violent downturn.

    Ismael Clemente, head of Deutsche Bank's property arm RREEF in Spain, told a panel of experts in Madrid that foreign banks were now dumping Spansih mortgaged debt at a 40pc discount. (AtW's comment: this means they expect drops of considerably more than that)

    Mikel Echavarren, director of the property consultancy Irea, said Spain's housing market was far weaker than the official statitics suggest, warning that prices could fall 20pc to 25pc.

    "All kinds of ploys have been used to disguise the true extent of the price falls, which we think are 5pc to 7pc already. Buyers have totally abandoned the market. We've had a wave of negative sales as people pull out of commitments already made," he said.

    "We have a very worrying situation. The developers simply cannot refinance their debts. We need to cut interest rates by 2pc, which is obviously not going to happen," he said, adding that the crash could be sharper than the property crisis in the early 1990s.

    Santiago Baena, head of Spain's estate agents lobby API, said the downturn had already forced 40,000 agents to close their doors, laying off 120,000 staff.

    The Bank of Spain said default rates would rise but insisted that the Spanish banking system remains in good health, without much exposure to the US subprime debacle. The loan-to-value ratio on mortgages was kept to 70pc - although a report in Germany's Die Welt newspaper today alleges that false pricing was often used to circumvent the rule.

    The authorities said that a crisis comparable to the early 1990s (when bad debts reached 13.1pc) would erode the capital base of the banking system by 63pc, a manageable level. The developers owe €290bn to the banks and lenders, known as'cajas".

    The government is preparing a €20bn spending blitz on high speed railways and other mega-projects to cushion the downturn. Spain's trump card is a budget surplus of 2pc of GDP last year, leaving in ample scope for fiscal stimulus - in sharp contrast to Italy, France, and Britain.

    The root cause of the crisis is in a sense Europe's monetary union. The euro effect halved Spain's interest rates almost overnight. Rates then fell below Spain's inflation rate for several years, fuelling an explosive credit boom. The country's current account deficit has reached 10pc of GDP, the highest of any major economy.

    The process has now kicked into reverse. Mortgage rates - priced off three-month Euribor - have nearly doubled since late 2005.

    David Owen, Europe economists at Drsedner Kleinwort, said Spain was waking up to the reality that there will be no quick-fix. "They are no longer arguing about whether there will be a recessoin, but about how deep it will be," he said.

    "Spain is no longer able to set monteary policy for its own needs. It could face zero-growth for five years," he said.

    ABC newspaper reported that the Bank of Spain rushed its Financial Stability Report into print two months early in order to refute "tendentious" claims in the British media that Spain's banks had become reliant on emergency funding from the ECB after the capital markets seized up.

    The banks have been issuing mortgage bonds on a large scale to use a collateral at the ECB's lending indow, raising concerns that they are becoming dependent on taxpayer funding. The Bank of Spain said they had borrowed €44bn from the ECB, insisting that this was "fully consistent" with EU rules.

    The ECB said its latest €25bn auction of six-month funding this week was heavily over-subscribed, with €103bn of bids from 177 banks at rates as high as 4.88 pc. It did not reveal how much of the bidding came from Spain.

    Deutsche Bank expects house prices to fall 8pc this year as the market struggles to clear a glut of unsold homes. Construction peaked in 2006 when last year when 740,000 new housing units were built - more than in Germany and Britain combined. (AtW's comment: they tend to rent more in Germany though, and also they actually manufacture real goods that people want, ie Porsche's where is this country now relies on bulltuliping sadgurus)

    Standard & Poor's said Spain risked a "major collapse" in construction after a 40pc fall in housing permits. Building has accounted on a fifth of all jobs created in Spain since 2000. It said the country faced a "major and likely painful adjstment".

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    The end is nigh now....
    no problem - they will just cut interest rates...

    oh dear - they are set by Berlin who cares not for Spain. oh dear...

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      #3
      Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
      no problem - they will just cut interest rates...

      oh dear - they are set by Berlin who cares not for Spain. oh dear...


      The cuts in interest rates no longer have any effect on market - the more money banks lose in subprime crap, the more money they will need to get from good paying customers, it's like casino - the house always wins.

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        #4
        Originally posted by AtW View Post
        the more money banks lose in subprime crap, the more money they will need to get from good paying customers
        That would be the logical conclusion. But there has been some evidence, in credit cards, that banks want people who don't pay back! Then they can charge interest - it makes books look good. Some evidence that alot of customers are bust but banks not calling debts in - as they then have to write the money off!

        When I was at Hill Samuel in late 80s they had a "dodgy credit" arm. Typical borrower a squaddie - interest rates of 30%. They almost always got the money back - eventually. Standards of who banks will lend too has fallen a long way from that.

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          #5
          Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
          That would be the logical conclusion. But there has been some evidence, in credit cards, that banks want people who don't pay back!
          Those have much higher interest so defaults can hurt not as much, also these are insured - banks probably count on raiding insurance industry a bit.

          It was a strategic mistake for the West to get in debt in order to finance development - same approach was used for 3rd world countries, but now the West effectively finds itself in the same situation.

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            #6
            On a good note!

            It was a lovely sunny day today, and I am now getting paid £200 a ton for heavy scrap Iron, because scrap prices have rocketed
            Confusion is a natural state of being

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              #7
              Originally posted by Diver View Post
              On a good note!

              It was a lovely sunny day today, and I am now getting paid £200 a ton for heavy scrap Iron, because scrap prices have rocketed
              Bombay potato futures were up slightly too.
              How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

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                #8
                Originally posted by HairyArsedBloke View Post
                Bombay potato futures were up slightly too.
                What about Bombay Duck?
                Confusion is a natural state of being

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  Those have much higher interest so defaults can hurt not as much, also these are insured - banks probably count on raiding insurance industry a bit.

                  It was a strategic mistake for the West to get in debt in order to finance development - same approach was used for 3rd world countries, but now the West effectively finds itself in the same situation.
                  yes - I was reading yesterday that lloyds has received a few claims. could lloyds become another victim?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                    yes - I was reading yesterday that lloyds has received a few claims. could lloyds become another victim?
                    Probably not - I thought they were mainly specialising in insurance against things like natural disasters etc rather than junk bonds? Those companies that insured those are sure in trouble.

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