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    Council admits spying on family

    Poole council admitted using RIPA powers on six occasions
    A council has admitted spying on a family using laws to track criminals and terrorists to find out if they were really living in a school catchment.

    A couple and their three children were put under surveillance without their knowledge by Poole Borough Council for more than two weeks.

    The council admitted using powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) on six occasions in total.

    Three of those were for suspected fraudulent school place applications.

    It said two offers of school places were withdrawn as a consequence.

    Human rights pressure group Liberty called the spying "ridiculously disproportionate" and "intrusive".

    James Welch, legal director for Liberty, said: "It's one thing to use covert surveillance in operations investigating terrorism and other serious crimes, but it has come to a pretty pass when this kind of intrusive activity is used to police school catchment areas.


    Liberty's Alex Gask describes the use of powers as 'ridiculous'
    "This is a ridiculously disproportionate use of RIPA and will undermine public trust in necessary and lawful surveillance."

    RIPA legislation allows councils to carry out surveillance if it suspects criminal activity.

    On its website, the Home Office says: "The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) legislates for using methods of surveillance and information gathering to help the prevention of crime, including terrorism."

    It goes on to say the act allows the interception of communications, carrying out of surveillance and the use of covert human intelligence sources.

    Poole council said it used the legislation to watch a family at home and in their daily movements because it wanted to know if they lived in the catchment area for a school, which they wanted their three-year-old daughter to attend.

    It said directed surveillance was carried out by a council officer who was fully trained and authorised to exercise RIPA powers, once it had decided it may be a criminal matter.

    Tim Martin, head of legal and democratic services at Poole Borough Council, said: "The council is committed to investigating the small minority of people who attempt to break the law and affect the quality of life for the majority of law-abiding residents in Poole.

    "On a small number of occasions, RIPA procedures have been used to investigate potentially fraudulent applications for school places.

    "In such circumstances, we have considered it appropriate to treat the matter as a potential criminal matter.

    "The council is keen to ensure that the information given by parents who apply for school places is true.

    "This protects the majority of honest parents against the small number of questionable applications.

    "An investigation may actually satisfy the council that the application is valid, as happened in this case."




    They provide a service, we are the customer, only fair they should assume we are untrustworthy liars and worthy of wasting our tax resources investigating us
    The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

    But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

    #2
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      #3
      Yes, just spotted that
      The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

      But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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        #4
        On the other hand if you were a parent and your kid was denied a place because some scummy toe-rag was lying about where they lived, you'd be quite happy if they were caught.
        Hard Brexit now!
        #prayfornodeal

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          #5
          Originally posted by sasguru View Post
          On the other hand if you were a parent and your kid was denied a place because some scummy toe-rag was lying about where they lived, you'd be quite happy if they were caught.
          I would quite happily sacrific the freedom of everyone in the country for that! As long as I get a result everyone else can suffer!

          me! me! me! me! me! me! me! me! me!

          now where is my copy of the sun?

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            #6
            There are other ways of checking without following people and thereby spending 000s of pounds bumbling around.
            The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

            But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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              #7
              Although it sounds quite shocking - it is nothing new.

              Local authorities have been spying on benefit claimants for donkey's years to make sure they're not working while claiming incapacity benefit etc.

              Sadly this kind of state snooping is necessary now as an increasingly large number of people in our society seem to be liars and cheats.

              You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.

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                #8
                Originally posted by bogeyman View Post
                Although it sounds quite shocking - it is nothing new.

                Local authorities have been spying on benefit claimants for donkey's years to make sure they're not working while claiming incapacity benefit etc.

                Sadly this kind of state snooping is necessary now as an increasingly large number of people in our society seem to be liars and cheats.
                running

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
                  Three of those were for suspected fraudulent school place applications.

                  It said two offers of school places were withdrawn as a consequence.
                  What's the problem here? The council were right on two out of three occasions!!!



                  They provide a service, we are the customer, only fair they should assume we are untrustworthy liars and worthy of wasting our tax resources investigating us
                  There is more than one customer here. There are parents who genuinely live in the catchment who also deserve to have their rights protected by the council.

                  It is distasteful but the truth of the matter is people can be very devious and sometimes there is no other way to catch them. How can they be wasting tax resources if they are right two out of three times!?!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                    On the other hand if you were a parent and your kid was denied a place because some scummy toe-rag was lying about where they lived, you'd be quite happy if they were caught.
                    I don't think it has much to do with "Freedom" for the perpetrators , more they are hitting back after being caught out as frauds, I agree.

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