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Bluebird
20th May 2008, 12:17
Hello to everyone?

Who's still around?

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 12:18
Hello to everyone?

Who's still around?

Not me.

Pondlife
20th May 2008, 12:19
Hey Boyo.

Proud but gutted at the weekend?

Bluebird
20th May 2008, 12:21
Hey Boyo.

Proud but gutted at the weekend?


Yep, fantastic day out, downside was not being able to stop my 7 year old son crying his eyes out :(

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:26
Yep, fantastic day out, downside was not being able to stop my 7 year old son crying his eyes out :(

Nothing a clip round the earhole won't solve.

Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:28
Nothing a clip round the earhole won't solve.

Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum.

Harsh

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:34
Harsh

So, it's acceptable to cry "because your team lost"?

Nope, it isn't. It's a game, for every winner, there's a loser. It's part of life.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:35
So, it's acceptable to cry "because your team lost"?

Nope, it isn't. It's a game, for every winner, there's a loser. It's part of life.

No, I was commenting on the 'scum' aspect of your post old dog.

Chugnut
20th May 2008, 12:37
Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum.

Way out of order.

EternalOptimist
20th May 2008, 12:38
Nothing a clip round the earhole won't solve.

Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum.

ouch

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:39
No, I was commenting on the 'scum' aspect of your post old dog.

The "scum" part isn't the fact that the boy is growing up to support a particular team, it's because he's growing to feel so emotional about what is in effect something that he cannot control.

That is how it starts.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:40
The "scum" part isn't the fact that the boy is growing up to support a particular team, it's because he's growing to feel so emotional about what is in effect something that he cannot control.

That is how it starts.

How what starts?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:40
Way out of order.

You had to edit your post to get more of a reaction, eh?

Jumping on the bandwaggon?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:42
How what starts?

That is how people become "fans", fanatics, one step away from running riots in the center of Manchester!

It's a game, enjoy the game whether you win or lose!

sasguru
20th May 2008, 12:42
How what starts?

Mindless thuggery when your team loses, for example.
I agree with Churchill, crying about the result of a sports match indicates the kid is not being brought up with a realistic and correct set of priorities.

Pondlife
20th May 2008, 12:44
:emb

I'm sorry I asked now.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:44
You had to edit your post to get more of a reaction, eh?

Jumping on the bandwaggon?

There's no bandwaggon.

I just thought calling someone's kid 'scum' because he supports a football team was uncalled for.

What if it was a RU team? Would that make a difference?

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:44
It's a game, enjoy the game whether you win or lose!

Blame Bill Shankley - he said it was more important than life or death.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 12:44
It's a game, enjoy the game whether you win or lose!

Absolutely. Particularly at the age of 7 ffs.

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 12:44
That is how people become "fans", fanatics, one step away from running riots in the center of Manchester!

It's a game, enjoy the game whether you win or lose!


Mindless thuggery when your team loses, for example.
I agree with Churchill, crying about the result of a sports match indicates the kid is not being brought up with a realistic and correct set of priorities.

He is 7 FFS.

He's barely learned that he has emotions, let alone how to control them.

******** idiots.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:44
:emb

I'm sorry I asked now.

I'm also sorry you asked...

sasguru
20th May 2008, 12:45
Why do I have a feeling this thread is going to get controversial? :laugh

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:45
Hello to everyone?

Who's still around?

I see Bluebird gets the standard tpd welcome :rolleyes:

Chugnut
20th May 2008, 12:46
You had to edit your post to get more of a reaction, eh?

Jumping on the bandwaggon?

No, just quoting your specific line about raising scum rather than quoting Bogeyman's Harsh post.

You don't think that was way too strong then, no?

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:46
Why do I have a feeling this thread is going to get controversial? :laugh

Because you posted in here? :rollin:

sasguru
20th May 2008, 12:47
Because you posted in here? :rollin:

I stand by my initial post. It is reasonable and considered.

Pondlife
20th May 2008, 12:48
I think we should just hold fire and wait for Lucy to give us her carefully considered opinion on the matter.

You know it's the right thing to do.

HTH

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:48
He is 7 FFS.

He's barely learned that he has emotions, let alone how to control them.

******** idiots.

“Give me a boy till 7 and I shall give you the man.”

Now who's the idiot?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:49
“Give me a boy till 7 and I shall give you the man.”

Now who's the idiot?

Just give it up man and say you were wrong.

EternalOptimist
20th May 2008, 12:51
“Give me a boy till 7 and I shall give you the man.”

Now who's the idiot?

You really shouldn't post when you have been doing drugs





:rolleyes:

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:52
You really shouldn't post when you have been doing drugs





:rolleyes:

That will kill off 99% of the traffic here.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:52
Just give it up man and say you were wrong.

You may not agree with it but I stand by what I said.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 12:53
You really shouldn't post when you have been doing drugs





:rolleyes:

I won't if you won't.

EternalOptimist
20th May 2008, 12:53
I won't if you won't.

lamp post





:rolleyes:

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:54
You may not agree with it but I stand by what I said.

I'd respect you a lot more if I though you could be man enough to admit when you'd a made gashing huge howler.

Calling someone's 7 y/o kid 'scum' does nothing for your standing mate.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 12:54
Just give it up man and say you were wrong.

Can an opinion be wrong? I mean surely as it's based on your own perceptions and experiences of reality then it can't be.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:54
You may not agree with it but I stand by what I said.

And I will die for your right to say what you said. But it was wrong. IMO.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 12:55
Can an opinion be wrong?

If the opinion is held by a man it usually is wrong.

daviejones
20th May 2008, 12:55
it's because he's growing to feel so emotional about what is in effect something that he cannot control..

So, kind of like losing a loved one?

EternalOptimist
20th May 2008, 12:55
lamp post


me and churchy can stand by what I said







:rolleyes:

sasguru
20th May 2008, 12:55
Perhaps the language could have been more measured. Agree entirely with the sentiment though.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 12:56
So, kind of like losing a loved one?

Yes because that's identical to a football game :rolleyes:

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 12:57
Perhaps the language could have been more measured. Agree entirely with the sentiment though.

2 pieces of reasoned posting in a single thread. You're on a roll :p

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 12:57
Can an opinion be wrong? I mean surely as it's based on your own perceptions and experiences of reality then it can't be.

No. But it can be obnoxious and lame.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 12:58
2 pieces of reasoned posting in a single thread. You're on a roll :p

Grrr, that's not good.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 12:59
No. But it can be obnoxious and lame.

Yes the use of the word 'scum' probably conveyed harsher connotations than intended but I agree with the sentiment behind the post.

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 12:59
“Give me a boy till 7 and I shall give you the man.”

Now who's the idiot?

Bollox - that's fine if you want to beast the child and mould him with your anachronistic views.

And you are, you dinosaur.

TimberWolf
20th May 2008, 13:00
I think it was a bit harsh. Slapping the ear (or to quote accurately, clip, whatever that is) risks perforating an eardrum. Slap them on the arse - kids understand that.

cailin maith
20th May 2008, 13:01
2 pieces of reasoned posting in a single thread. You're on a roll :p

I think it's an imposter :eyes

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:02
Yes the use of the word 'scum' probably conveyed harsher connotations than intended but I agree with the sentiment behind the post.

Yup, the word was strong. It was perhaps the wrong word, with my limited vocabulary I couldn't find one that would evoke the same sentiment.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:03
So, kind of like losing a loved one?

My father died when I was 6. Obviously emotionally traumatic - plus we went from being well off to poverty stricken (free school meals etc).

I hope the lad recovers quicker than I did.

EternalOptimist
20th May 2008, 13:04
I dont agree with the sentiment. I get happy or sad about lots of things that I can't influence or do anything about.
I get happy or sad about things that happened 100's, even 1000's of years ago.
I get happy or sad about abstract things that aren't even real, like events in games, or imagining someones emotions even though the someone might not even exist.
I get happy or sad depending on how well Everton do on a saturday.
I guess that makes me a bit scummy too.:frown





:rolleyes:

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:04
Yes the use of the word 'scum' probably conveyed harsher connotations than intended but I agree with the sentiment behind the post.

But why do you agree with the sentiment?

Have you never supported (even half-heartedly) any sports teams?

Millions of people do, and they aren't knuckle-dragging scum.

I'm a rugby fan (union rules) and I've never been that bothered about soccer. OTOH my wife is an avid Chelsea fan (with good reason: she was actually born in SW3).

I know football has a problem with some of it's devotees but calling everyone scum is an injustice. I know lots of nice people who follow football teams.

daviejones
20th May 2008, 13:05
Yes because that's identical to a football game :rolleyes:

Please read the quote I referred to. The quote was about getting emotional about something you cannot control.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:07
I think it's an imposter :eyes

maybe SG has to be nice at clientco to survive the credit crunch and this is reflected in his new improved mood?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:09
But why do you agree with the sentiment?

Have you never supported (even half-heartedly) any sports teams?

Millions of people do, and they aren't knuckle-dragging scum.

I'm a rugby fan (union rules) and I've never been that bothered about soccer. OTOH my wife is an avid Chelsea fan (with good reason: she was actually born in SW3).

I know football has a problem with some of it's devotees but calling everyone scum is an injustice. I know lots of nice people who follow football teams.

Now you're taking things out of context. I did not call everyone who follows a football team.

IMHO, it is not acceptable to cry because your team - whatever the sport - lost!

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 13:15
But why do you agree with the sentiment?



The message that I think Chuchill was trying to convey was that if a child is getting sufficiently upset at the age of 7 about what is essentially a game then there is something wrong. I think children at that age should be enouraged to participate/watch/support as much sport as possible. However the emphasis should be on fun. I know what it's like taking a sport very seriously ( I had delusions of becoming a professional tennis player until the age of about fifteen). I also know that my parents never failed to emphasise that if it was not fun then it's not worth doing.

Therefore what I am trying to say is that what should have been a fun family day out to watch the football does not need to end in tears and the leap from there to becoming another one of 'those' fans regarding football is not unrealistic. However the leap to 'scum' is probably a step far which is what I said.



Have you never supported (even half-heartedly) any sports teams?


Loads obviously






Millions of people do, and they aren't knuckle-dragging scum.


Agreed




I know football has a problem with some of it's devotees but calling everyone scum is an injustice. I know lots of nice people who follow football teams.

I think I have stated that the connotation surrounding the word scum made its use unnecessary.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:16
Now you're taking things out of context. I did not call everyone who follows a football team.

IMHO, it is not acceptable to cry because your team - whatever the sport - lost!

That's not the issue here and you know it.

You called the guy's kid scum. (next generation of scum) did you not?

DS23
20th May 2008, 13:16
IMHO, it is not acceptable to cry because your team - whatever the sport - lost!

why? (i snuck in while bluebird was quietly leaving the building again)

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 13:17
Now you're taking things out of context. I did not call everyone who follows a football team.

IMHO, it is not acceptable to cry because your team - whatever the sport - lost!

At the age of 7!!!!!

I'm pretty sure you cried about something you couldn't control at the age of seven, it's just you can't remember that far back - hence your ridiculous attitude here.

Calling the kid scum because he hasn't learned to control his emotions yet is more than harsh, it's ******* rude.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:18
You called the guy's kid scum. (next generation of scum) did you not?

Doesn't that mean the kid will turn into scum at the current rate? Rather than being scum now.

TimberWolf
20th May 2008, 13:20
Hello to everyone?
I don't know who you are, but I hope you are thoroughly ashamed about the trouble your thread has caused.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:20
Doesn't that mean the kid will turn into scum at the current rate? Rather than being scum now.

Not funny.

I wish Churchill had the balls to apologise.

DS23
20th May 2008, 13:22
I wish Churchill had the balls to apologise.

has he been neutered?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:22
has he been neutered?

It would appear so.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 13:23
I don't know who you are, but I hope you are thoroughly ashamed about the trouble your thread has caused.

Yes. I'm back - powerful words indeed.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:23
Not funny.

I wish Churchill had the balls to apologise.

It was not a joke. There is a double meaning to what Churchy said - but I think the written words implied potential rather than being.

Either way I have already said he was wrong whatever the meaning.

DS23
20th May 2008, 13:24
It would appear so.

probably just as well given his likely parenting skills.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:24
That's not the issue here and you know it.

You called the guy's kid scum. (next generation of scum) did you not?

The phrase was "Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum." - Somebody has got their priorities all wrong.

What's he going to do the next time his team loses?

When does crying turn into fighting?

I grew up in Oldham during the late 70s and early 80s where there was serious fan trouble after every home game.

I stand by what I said and no amount of brow-beating by you lot is going to change that.

As for having the balls to apologise bogey, it takes bigger balls to stand up for what you believe!

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:25
The phrase was "Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum." - Somebody has got their priorities all wrong.

What's he going to do the next time his team loses?

When does crying turn into fighting?

I grew up in Oldham during the late 70s and early 80s where there was serious fan trouble after every home game.

I stand by what I said and no amount of brow-beating by you lot is going to change that.

Crap!

Just be a man and say sorry to the bloke for making a nasty comment about his kid.

Fkking grow a pair!

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 13:26
Crap!

Just be a man and say sorry to the bloke for making a nasty comment about his kid.

Fkking grow a pair!

The people police have spoken :eyes

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:28
The people police have spoken :eyes

Oh what are you banging on about now?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:28
Crap!

Just be a man and say sorry to the bloke for making a nasty comment about his kid.

Fkking grow a pair!

And just who the hell are you?

Just because I won't bow down to your request I'm less of a man, eh?

Grow up!

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 13:29
The phrase was "Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum." - Somebody has got their priorities all wrong.

What's he going to do the next time his team loses?

Probably draw on his experience and control the crying? Again, he's 7.



When does crying turn into fighting?

I grew up in Oldham during the late 70s and early 80s where there was serious fan trouble after every home game.

Are you seriously suggesting that hooliganism has anything to do with emotions about football? It's just tribalism amongst the under-educated.

The same sort of violence was happening between mods and rockers, would you call everybody who cried at John Lennon being shot "the next generation of scum"?



I stand by what I said and no amount of brow-beating by you lot is going to change that.
As for having the balls to apologise bogey, it takes bigger balls to stand up for what you believe!

Prat.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:30
And just who the hell are you?

Just because I won't bow down to your request I'm less of a man, eh?

Grow up!

You are less of a man because you called the 7 y/o son of the original poster 'scum'.

You're the one that needs growing-up lessons, chum.

kali
20th May 2008, 13:31
The phrase was "Congratulations on raising the next generation of scum." - Somebody has got their priorities all wrong.

What's he going to do the next time his team loses?

When does crying turn into fighting?

I grew up in Oldham during the late 70s and early 80s where there was serious fan trouble after every home game.

I stand by what I said and no amount of brow-beating by you lot is going to change that.

So a seven year getting upset because his team has lost automatically makes him into the next generation of football hooligan does it?

Is your life an emotionless void? Have you never cared enough about something to show emotion. :spank::spank::spank:

It's really ok to cry babes... just let it out.

If he (Bluebird's son) was my kid I'd have just given him lots of hugs and told him it was ok, only a game and better luck next time... NOT clip the poor lad around the ear... that sort of behaviour can scar someone for life :tantrum::tantrum::tantrum:

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:32
The same sort of violence was happening between mods and rockers, would you call everybody who cried at John Lennon being shot "the next generation of scum"?

Why did they cry?

How many actually knew him?

DS23
20th May 2008, 13:32
And just who the hell are you?


eh? you've never heard of the bogeyman?

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:34
Prat.

Well that really helps doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:35
You are less of a man because you called the 7 y/o son of the original poster 'scum'.

You're the one that needs growing-up lessons, chum.

And there we have a differing of opinion.

Ain't life wonderful.

You've turned the fact that I've made an observation on behaviour and what I think its likely implications are into a personal attack, you're a bit of a hard bastard behind a keyboard, aren't you?

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 13:35
Well that really helps doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Yes. :tongue

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:37
The same sort of violence was happening between mods and rockers, would you call everybody who cried at John Lennon being shot "the next generation of scum"?


The prols who cried about Princess Diana certainly do not deserve the vote. It was a shame she died - but not worth crying over.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:37
Yes. :tongue

:rollin:

kali
20th May 2008, 13:38
The prols who cried about Princess Diana certainly do not deserve the vote. It was a shame she died - but not worth crying over.

Thats kinda different - they weren't 7 year olds.... :eyes

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:40
Thats kinda different - they weren't 7 year olds.... :eyes

What? You're serious, aren't you?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:41
And there we have a differing of opinion.

Ain't life wonderful.

You've turned the fact that I've made an observation on behaviour and what I think its likely implications are into a personal attack, you're a bit of a hard bastard behind a keyboard, aren't you?

Childish.

Aren't we all 'hard bastards' behind the keyboard eh?

I know you purport to be some 6' 5" rugby-playing hardman, (and on the sq no-less!) but for all I know you're just a sad, fantasist twat.

Who knows eh? The only way to judge people on these boards is by what they say.

Calling some guy's 7 year old son scum really says a lot about you.

I'll leave it at that.

I don't want this thread to run on and on with more personal insults and comments.

TimberWolf
20th May 2008, 13:43
I think we need to establish what age it is okay to call football fans scum. I tentatively suggest this to be 15. Potential scum can be younger, but I’m not going there.

Or is it the fact that ‘fans’ shouldn’t be called scum that is the issue?

kali
20th May 2008, 13:44
What? You're serious, aren't you?

To avoid any confusion hunni, what I meant was I agree her death wasn't worth adults crying over... nor would I expect them too.. but that's worlds away from a child crying because his fav team lost a match

*sigh*

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:45
Thats kinda different - they weren't 7 year olds.... :eyes

Since I said they do not deserve to vote I assumed they were 18+.

My son gets verey very upset at the slightest thing(though he seems fine with my important stuff going wrong). But he is going to be taken to the doctors - could be asburgers(sp?).

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:46
I don't want this thread to run on and on with more personal insults and comments.

I think this thread should run until we have somewhere else to post personal insults...

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:47
I think we need to establish what age it is okay to call football fans scum. I tentatively suggest this to be 15. Potential scum can be younger, but I’m not going there.

Or is it the fact that ‘fans’ shouldn’t be called scum that is the issue?

Could scum under 16 be called scumette?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:47
Childish.

Aren't we all 'hard bastards' behind the keyboard eh?

I know you purport to be some 6' 5" rugby-playing hardman, (and on the sq no-less!) but for all I know you're just a sad, fantasist twat.

Who knows eh? The only way to judge people on these boards is by what they say.

Calling some guy's 7 year old son scum really says a lot about you.

I'll leave it at that.

I don't want this thread to run on and on with more personal insults and comments.

You'd "judge" someone based on an internet forum? That's not very bright, is it?

There are plenty of people who visit this forum who have met me "in the flesh".
6ft 8", ex-rugby player yes, hard man, not really.

On the square? Yes, try me and prove me.

You really can't handle people standing up to you, can you?

Spacecadet
20th May 2008, 13:48
Could scum under 16 be called scumette?

surely that would be female scum?

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 13:48
I think we need to establish what age it is okay to call football fans scum. I tentatively suggest this to be 15. Potential scum can be younger, but I’m not going there.

Or is it the fact that ‘fans’ shouldn’t be called scum that is the issue?

I think the point is (perhaps I'm missing the point) that calling a seven year old, who you've never met and are judging on an emotional response that he doesn't fully understand yet "potential scum", because you've got something against football because of hooliganism 15 years ago is, out of order.

Calling adults who cry at the death of people who they've never met, or indeed idiots running riot after too much booze in Manchester "scum" is totally "in-order".

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:49
surely that would be female scum?

damn! damn! damn! :emb

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:50
...
You really can't handle people standing up to you, can you?

Oh FFS!

Is that you 'standing up to me' ?

(ok, i'm shytting myself now)

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:50
I think (perhaps I'm missing the point) is that calling a seven year old, who you've never met and are judging on an emotional response that he doesn't fully understand yet "potential scum", because you've got something against football because of hooliganism 15 years ago is, out of order.

Calling adults who cry at the death of people who they've never met, or indeed idiots running riot after too much booze in Manchester "scum" is totally "in-order".

Thank you for your opinion. Duly noted. However, it hasn't changed my opinion one iota.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:51
Oh FFS!

Is that you 'standing up to me' ?

I tell you what, if we're going to get ridiculous about this, yes it is. What are you going to do about it?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:52
I tell you what, if we're going to get ridiculous about this, yes it is. What are you going to do about it?

Nothing. Just like you're going to do about it.

This is a forum on the internet, not Dodge City.

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 13:52
Thank you for your opinion. Duly noted. However, it hasn't changed my opinion one iota.

Perhaps him growing up to become a captain of industry (and yet still a football supporter) might sway you.

I doubt it, but only time will tell.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 13:52
You really can't handle people standing up to you, can you?

I dont like it much when other men stand up for me :eek:

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:55
Perhaps him growing up to become a captain of industry (and yet still a football supporter) might sway you.

I doubt it, but only time will tell.

If he learns to stopy crying at a football match it might be a start!

Churchill
20th May 2008, 13:56
I dont like it much when other men stand up for me :eek:


Boy you sure is perty...
Squeal like a piggy...

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 13:57
If he learns to stopy crying at a football match it might be a start!

Why can't you just say that calling someone's kid 'scum' was wrong?

Can you never admit you are wrong?

I'm sure you didn't mean to make such a hurtful remark, so why can't you just drop the defensive pose and say sorry?

kali
20th May 2008, 13:59
Can you never admit you are wrong?

I'm sure you didn't mean to make such a hurtful remark, so why can't you just drop the defensive pose and say sorry?

I expect he wasn't allowed to cry as child :p

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:00
Why can't you just say that calling someone's kid 'scum' was wrong?

Can you never admit you are wrong?

I'm sure you didn't mean to make such a hurtful remark, so why can't you just drop the defensive pose and say sorry?

How about "Because I'm not sorry!!!"?

I made a point, however wrong you or others may think that is.

Now ***** off and have a go at someone else.

Pondlife
20th May 2008, 14:02
..... and so I said to this lad, whom I'm pretty sure is a Cardiff City fan. "What did you think of the game?" and he says "Aye, it was a good day out. The lad was a bit disappointed like but you know what kids are like"....

Then all of a sudden all holy fook broke out


Well, I learned my lesson that day, I can tell you!

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:03
How about "Because I'm not sorry!!!"?

I made a point, however wrong you or others may think that is.

Now ***** off and have a go at someone else.

I don't want to 'have a go' at someone else because nobody else has made such a twatish remark.

For God's sake - just tell me if you think calling someone's 7 y/o boy 'scum' is acceptable and I will say no more.

Let's hear you say it.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:06
I don't want to 'have a go' at someone else because nobody else has made such a twatish remark.

For God's sake - just tell me if you think calling someone's 7 y/o boy 'scum' is acceptable and I will say no more.

Let's hear you say it.

Nope. I've posted what I thought and if you can't understand what I've posted, then that is your problem.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:07
Nope. I've posted what I thought and if you can't understand what I've posted, then that is your problem.

You're a total coward.

You abused the original poster by insulting his child.

Shame on you mate.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:09
You're a total coward.

You abused the original poster by insulting his child.

Shame on you mate.

I'm a coward because I won't agree to your demands?

FFS, you've got some twisted sense of logic there sunshine!

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:10
I'm a coward because I won't agree to your demands?

FFS, you've got some twisted sense of logic there sunshine!

Yes you're a big-mouthed coward.

DodgyAgent
20th May 2008, 14:11
I think Bogey that Churchills comment was not personalised at your son. I believe he was alluring to a conceptual pattern of behaviour that goes to make up a stereotypical football (or any other) supporter.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 14:11
Well, I learned my lesson that day, I can tell you!

Only make posts about the weather?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:12
I think Bogey that Churchills comment was not personalised at your son. I believe he was alluring to a conceptual pattern of behaviour that goes to make up a stereotypical football (or any other) supporter.

Oh dear, keep up Dodgy - it wasn't MY son!

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:14
Only make posts about the weather?

Oh FFS!

Doesn't anyone here have some balls and decency?

Is it fair to shyt on and generally abuse family members of posters?

CUK seems to be somewhat symptomatic of society at large, it seems.

DodgyAgent
20th May 2008, 14:14
Oh dear, keep up Dodgy - it wasn't MY son!


I thought you'd been shagging Bluebirds missus

sasguru
20th May 2008, 14:17
OK calm down. This is what I believe happened:

Churchill, in his inarticulate way, suggested that for a boy of 7 to shed tears because of a football match was inappropriate and that in the long run that sort of misguided passion can lead to fanaticism (which is of course where the short-form "fan" comes from). And from there to the sort of scummy behaviour we saw in Manchester.

There were quite a few posters, including myself who agreed with the sentiment of inappropriate passion, if not with the way it was put.

Pondlife
20th May 2008, 14:19
OK calm down. This is what I believe happened:

Churchill, in his inarticulate way, suggested that for a boy of 7 to shed tears because of a football match was inappropriate and that in the long run that sort of misguided passion can lead to fanaticism (which is of course where the short-form "fan" comes from). And from there to the sort of scummy behaviour we saw in Manchester.

There were quite a few posters, including myself who agreed with the sentiment of inappropriate passion, if not with the way it was put.

I hope you're not suggesting that Bluebird's offspring might become a Manc!!!

Good grief.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:19
OK calm down. This is what I believe happened:

Churchill, in his inarticulate way, suggested that for a boy of 7 to shed tears because of a football match was inappropriate and that in the long run that sort of misguided passion can lead to fanaticism (which is of course where the short-form "fan" comes from). And from there to the sort of scummy behaviour we saw in Manchester.

There were quite a few posters, including myself who agreed with the sentiment of inappropriate passion, if not with the way it was put.

Stop apoligising for the twat.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 14:21
Oh FFS!

Doesn't anyone here have some balls and decency?

Is it fair to shyt on and generally abuse family members of posters?

CUK seems to be somewhat symptomatic of society at large, it seems.

I have spent several years at the sharp end of f4j - even getting arrested (can I tell that story for the 27th time?).

If bluebird had trouble seeing his lad I would give him loads of advice (via PM if needed) as I have done to several others.

IMO Churchill was wrong - I would not have made the comment. And you were right to point out he was wrong. But it is a public internet forum - and I defend Churchill's right to make the comment.

I bet ferret is having a damned good laugh now.....

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:22
Stop apoligising for the twat.

It wasn't an apology.

Any more insults?

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 14:22
OK calm down. This is what I believe happened:

Churchill, in his inarticulate way, suggested that for a boy of 7 to shed tears because of a football match was inappropriate and that in the long run that sort of misguided passion can lead to fanaticism (which is of course where the short-form "fan" comes from). And from there to the sort of scummy behaviour we saw in Manchester.

There were quite a few posters, including myself who agreed with the sentiment of inappropriate passion, if not with the way it was put.

And there rests the case for the defence?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:23
And there rests the case for the defence?

Looks like I'm buggered!

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 14:23
It wasn't an apology.

Any more insults?

There is a whole insult thread somewhere. Or try here http://www.insultme.net/

HTH

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:24
It wasn't an apology.

Any more insults?

Clearly you're the sort of chap that will never apologise for anything - no matter how spiteful or inappropriate.

Ok, so be it.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 14:26
And there rests the case for the defence?

The defence would also like to deplore the general tendency in recent times to blub, cry, weep and generally carry on at all manner of minor issues e.g. football matches, celebrity deaths (surely we should be applauding these), and other generally minor issues of real life.

Acceptable reasons for crying include loss (death or otherwise) of loved ones, having been bombed in a Blitz and similar occurrences.

Bring back the stiff upper lip!

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 14:26
And this is the final post of this thread. Unless anyone wants to discuss the weather?

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 14:28
The defence would also like to deplore the general tendency in recent times to blub, cry, weep and generally carry on at all manner of minor issues e.g. football matches, celebrity deaths (surely we should be applauding these), and other generally minor issues of real life.

Yes, the way those seven year olds get emotional is disgusting. It's down to the parents you see, the kids turn out as scum in the end.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:30
Clearly you're the sort of chap that will never apologise for anything - no matter how spiteful or inappropriate.

Ok, so be it.

I apologised for my choice of word earlier, not the sentiment. I wasn't spiteful, there was and still is reasoning behind my post.

You, however have resorted to personal insults. This topic has shown much more about your character than mine.

As a matter of interest, who the ***** voted for you as the internet police?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:31
The thing that dismays me most is that the denizens of CUK are such a bunch of amoral muppets that they allow such nasty, personal comments to pass with just a chuckle.

Fkk you all and sianarra.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 14:33
Yes, the way those seven year olds get emotional is disgusting. It's down to the parents you see, the kids turn out as scum in the end.

I didn't cry when my team lost at 7 or any other age. My dad would have walloped me and explained what I said in my previous post. So, yes, you have a point.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:33
:throw:
The thing that dismays me most is that the denizens of CUK are such a bunch of amoral muppets that they allow such nasty, personal comments to pass with just a chuckle.

Fkk you all and sianarra.:throw:

Ooooh, teddy out of the pram time!

Off for a cry now, eh?

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 14:34
The thing that dismays me most is that the denizens of CUK are such a bunch of amoral muppets that they allow such nasty, personal comments to pass with just a chuckle.

Fkk you all and sianarra.

BM - a personal thank you for providing wonderful entertainment this afternoon.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:35
:throw:

Ooooh, teddy out of the pram time!

Off for a cry now, eh?

Chunt spouting off time!

(well that's me banned - Ferret - please!)

Bear
20th May 2008, 14:36
:throw:

Ooooh, teddy out of the pram time!

Off for a cry now, eh?

:rollin:

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 14:36
As a matter of interest, who the ***** voted for you as the internet police?


The people police have spoken :eyes

Quite!

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:36
BM - a personal thank you for providing wonderful entertainment this afternoon.

You're a bit of a chunt as well.

Spacecadet
20th May 2008, 14:36
BM - a personal thank you for providing wonderful entertainment this afternoon.

its certainly brightened my afternoon as well

Where's Bluebird gone in all of this?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:36
Chunt spouting off time!

(well that's me banned - Ferret - please!)

Now come on, your team lost. Live with it.

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 14:36
I didn't cry when my team lost at 7 or any other age. My dad would have walloped me and explained what I said in my previous post.

I'm sure Freud (no, Sigmund not Emma) would have a field day with your psyche.

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 14:37
The thing that dismays me most is that the denizens of CUK are such a bunch of amoral muppets that they allow such nasty, personal comments to pass with just a chuckle.

Fkk you all and sianarra.

What amazes me most is that men are prepared to let the family courts walk all over them or other men with barely a raised eyebrow.

This is a public forum - not life and death. There are things worth getting upset over - this thread is not one of them.

Like I said earlier - I will help out anyone having divorce or child access issues.

But I wish you all the best. And I would die for your right to express your opinion. Even if I think you are wrong.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:38
I'm sure Freud (no, Seigmund not Emma) would have a field day with your psyche.

I'm sure he loved his Mother...:hug:

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:39
What amazes me most is that men are prepared to let the family courts walk all over them or other men with barely a raised eyebrow.

This is a public forum - not life and death. There are things worth getting upset over - this thread is not one of them.

Like I said earlier - I will help out anyone having divorce or child access issues.

But I wish you all the best. And I would die for your right to express your opinion. Even if I think you are wrong.

Eh? I think you've lost the plot dear boy. I have no children-related issues!

I was merely defending the dignity of the OP, clearly this has not been well received.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:40
Eh? I think you've lost the plot dear boy. I have no children-related issues!

You're busy looking after every other f*ckers kids, is that not an issue?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:43
You're busy looking after every other f*ckers kids, is that not an issue?

No. I just stated that I thought your 'scum' comment was wholly inappropriate.

Can you not understand that? Or are you deliberately trying to avoid the issue?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:45
No. I just stated that I thought your 'scum' comment was wholly inappropriate.

Can you not understand that? Or are you deliberately trying to avoid the issue?

Now now, you went from "wholly inappropriate" to personal insults.

The only person getting wound up through this whole thread was yourself and it wasn't even your child.

I'm sure you misread my post.:confused:

Ah well, like I give a tulip!

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 14:46
its certainly brightened my afternoon as well

Where's Bluebird gone in all of this?

Not sure this thread turned out like he planned. I guess his question was answered i.e. nothings changed, threads go off topic in around 3 posts etc etc.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 14:47
You're a bit of a chunt as well.

:rollin:

sasguru
20th May 2008, 14:47
I'm sure Freud (no, Sigmund not Emma) would have a field day with your psyche.

And why would that be?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:47
I'm sure you misread my post.:confused:


Oh bollocks!

Misread 'scum'?

How?

sasguru
20th May 2008, 14:49
Ah this is why I like CUK....

SG in <<puts down popcorn for a mo>> mode.

realityhack
20th May 2008, 14:49
Crikey.

Churchy's comment was harsh, but that was it, just harsh. If you want him to apologise for being harsh then you're asking him to apologise for his personality - and he'll never back down over that. He's a principled pup, and he's standing by his principles, which he has every right to do.

Bogey - I would wholeheartedly agree with you if he'd specifically targeted someone's son and deliberately insulted them - but I believe he was making a general point - however insensitively - about emotions and logic pertaining to society at large.

His insensitivity is his own business, I don't think it was malicious. Let's not resort to personal insults. Let the mods police this board. If you think his original post was offensive, report it, and let them decide.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:50
Oh bollocks!

Misread 'scum'?

How?

Context dear boy, context.

Ah well, who's next...?
(And yes, I am joking...)

PRC1964
20th May 2008, 14:52
OK, I've wasted a fair chunk of my time by reading all this.

My conclusions are that:

Churchill has no children and no real idea of what a seven year old is like.

Bogey spotted an inappropriate comment and decided to play moderator.

Brillo took the opportunity to mention f4j AGAIN.

Bluebird should have stayed away.

I shouldn't have bothered.

realityhack
20th May 2008, 14:53
Brillo took the opportunity to mention f4j AGAIN.
:laugh

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 14:53
Crikey.

Churchy's comment was harsh, but that was it, just harsh. If you want him to apologise for being harsh then you're asking him to apologise for his personality - and he'll never back down over that. He's a principled pup, and he's standing by his principles, which he has every right to do.

Bogey - I would wholeheartedly agree with you if he'd specifically targeted someone's son and deliberately insulted them - but I believe he was making a general point - however insensitively - about emotions and logic pertaining to society at large.

His insensitivity is his own business, I don't think it was malicious. Let's not resort to personal insults. Let the mods police this board. If you think his original post was offensive, report it, and let them decide.

Thanks for that reasoned and considered post young ninja squirrel.

However, the lack of even the most basic of morals in many posters on this board dismays and and astonishes me, so I'm fkking off.

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 14:53
And why would that be?

You were beaten by your father and you don't think it's ok to express emotion.
I'm sure that's enough of a start.

FWIW, I think he'd have a field day with most of us.

cailin maith
20th May 2008, 14:54
Crikey.

Churchy's comment was harsh, but that was it, just harsh. If you want him to apologise for being harsh then you're asking him to apologise for his personality - and he'll never back down over that. He's a principled pup, and he's standing by his principles, which he has every right to do.

Bogey - I would wholeheartedly agree with you if he'd specifically targeted someone's son and deliberately insulted them - but I believe he was making a general point - however insensitively - about emotions and logic pertaining to society at large.

His insensitivity is his own business, I don't think it was malicious. Let's not resort to personal insults. Let the mods police this board. If you think his original post was offensive, report it, and let them decide.


The voice of reason is back from his hols :yay: :yay:

Chugnut
20th May 2008, 14:54
Thanks for that reasoned and considered post young ninja squirrel.

However, the lack of even the most basic of morals in many posters on this board dismays and and astonishes me, so I'm fkking off.

PM sent.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 14:55
However, the lack of even the most basic of morals in many posters on this board dismays and and astonishes me

I can't see how anything in this thread has lead to this conclusion.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 14:56
PM sent.

That's nice. And you felt the need to mention it why?

Pondlife
20th May 2008, 14:58
Crikey.


Oi.... You can't turn up 153 posts into a proper CUK pointless argument and try to inject reason. There would be anarchy. You have to follow the 'rules'.

Rules:
1. There is only black and white. Grey does not exist here (even conceptually)
2. You have to pick your side at the beginning, you can't change just cos your team is losing.
3. Name calling is initialy only acceptable if you feel you have scored a point.
4. After the first name calling it's a freeforall
5. Quotes can be taken completely out of context but editing is not allowed
6. Agreeing with your adversary but adding :rolleyes: at the end is acceptable but not a strong move.
7 Pedantry is only minor point scoring.

Now, unless you can think of some way of taking this off topic I suggest you think about your actions.

Chugnut
20th May 2008, 14:59
That's nice. And you felt the need to mention it why?

In case he didn't notice. And you felt the need to comment why?

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:00
Thanks for that reasoned and considered post young ninja squirrel.

However, the lack of even the most basic of morals in many posters on this board dismays and and astonishes me, so I'm fkking off.

Why? You got the wrong end of the stick and tried to bully someone, it didn't work. No reason to spit your dummy out and blame others.

After today, all this will be water under the bridge.

I'm sorry you got so upset.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:00
In case he didn't notice. And you felt the need to comment why?

In case who didn't notice?

realityhack
20th May 2008, 15:01
the lack of even the most basic of morals in many posters on this board dismays and and astonishes me, so I'm fkking off.
Many but not most. Stick around, all this coming and going is making me dizzy. Speaking of which - has AtW made an appearance in the last month or so or is he still AtWOL?

The voice of reason is back from his hols :yay: :yay:
:hug: Hi hun - back and sat at a desk, when days ago I was on a white sandy beach. <sigh>

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 15:03
. Speaking of which - has AtW made an appearance in the last month or so or is he still AtWOL?



Still AtWOL unfortunately. The board has suffered for it imo.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 15:03
You were beaten by your father and you don't think it's ok to express emotion.
I'm sure that's enough of a start.

FWIW, I think he'd have a field day with most of us.

I wasn't "beaten" by my father and I do think it's appropriate to cry - for appropriate issues, as you could have told if you read my previous posts.
I have the best relationship with my parents and am grateful for the common sense they instilled in me.
FFS no wonder the country is in the state it's in with this "anything goes" parenting :mad

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:04
Still AtWOL unfortunately. The board has suffered for it imo.

Anybody know the russian for "scum"?
(And no, I don't think it's Chelski!)

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 15:06
Anybody know the russian for "scum"?
(And no, I don't think it's Chelski!)

Bogeyman might know. He is in Kola Peninsula afterall.

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:08
Bogeyman might know. He is in Kola Peninsula afterall.

I've a feeling that he's not my number one fan at the moment...

I'll ask him later...

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 15:10
for appropriate issues, as you could have told if you read my previous posts.


And who the hell are you to decide what's appropriate for somebody else's kids?

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 15:13
Anybody know the russian for "scum"?
(And no, I don't think it's Chelski!)

накипь

but it more means "scale" as in a kettle.

You probably want

хулиган

which is hooligan,

sasguru
20th May 2008, 15:14
And who the hell are you to decide what's appropriate for somebody else's kids?

Ah, so if my neighbours kids start carrying knives that's not my problem?
Admittedly crying over a football match is rather different, but Churchill's point is that that it shows society's values can be rather warped - which is a problem for all of us.

Perhaps your comment says more about what is wrong with this society - everything is considered relative, there is not right or wrong any more.

realityhack
20th May 2008, 15:18
Oi.... You can't turn up 153 posts into a proper CUK pointless argument and try to inject reason. There would be anarchy. You have to follow the 'rules'.

Rules:
1. There is only black and white. Grey does not exist here (even conceptually)
2. You have to pick your side at the beginning, you can't change just cos your team is losing.
3. Name calling is initialy only acceptable if you feel you have scored a point.
4. After the first name calling it's a freeforall
5. Quotes can be taken completely out of context but editing is not allowed
6. Agreeing with your adversary but adding :rolleyes: at the end is acceptable but not a strong move.
7 Pedantry is only minor point scoring.

Now, unless you can think of some way of taking this off topic I suggest you think about your actions.
:laugh :yay:

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 15:22
Ah, so if my neighbours kids start carrying knives that's not my problem?

That's not taking the argument to it's logical conclusion, that's taking it over the horizon to lala land.


Admittedly crying over a football match is rather different, but Churchill's point is that that it shows society's values can be rather warped - which is a problem for all of us.

The KID cried over a football match - something that was probably quite important to him. I'm pretty sure he'll get over it and turn out to be a nice chap.

I don't think you can infer much about the ills of society from a 7 year old.




Perhaps your comment says more about what is wrong with this society - everything is considered relative, there is not right or wrong any more.

Taking your argument a bit further, are you trying to say our society is too permissive, and the government should take a fuller role in parenting? Who should police the parents.

I thought you were one on the board against governmental intrusion.

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 15:27
Ah, so if my neighbours kids start carrying knives that's not my problem?
Admittedly crying over a football match is rather different, but Churchill's point is that that it shows society's values can be rather warped - which is a problem for all of us.

Perhaps your comment says more about what is wrong with this society - everything is considered relative, there is not right or wrong any more.

Is there any of that pocorn left :smile

Pinto
20th May 2008, 15:27
That's not taking the argument to it's logical conclusion, that's taking it over the horizon to lala land.

Wonder what lala land's honorary citizen thinks about this. Lucy, where the hell are you?

oracleslave
20th May 2008, 15:28
Wonder what lala land's honorary citizen thinks about this. Lucy, where the hell are you?

:laugh:rollin:

sasguru
20th May 2008, 15:30
That's not taking the argument to it's logical conclusion, that's taking it over the horizon to lala land.



The KID cried over a football match - something that was probably quite important to him. I'm pretty sure he'll get over it and turn out to be a nice chap.

I don't think you can infer much about the ills of society from a 7 year old.




Taking your argument a bit further, are you trying to say our society is too permissive, and the government should take a fuller role in parenting? Who should police the parents.

I thought you were one on the board against governmental intrusion.


No certainly not re: government.
I think it's a parents duty to instil a decent appreciation of what matters or not in life - and I will categorically say that any child of mine will swiftly be removed of the notion that crying over a sporting event is acceptable behaviour.
Read the thread again - apart from Churchill's initial misjudged post he made some good points including educating children to not to worry about things they can't control.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 15:31
Is there any of that pocorn left :smile

Dumped the popcorn and joined the cast :smile

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:34
Dumped the popcorn and joined the cast :smile

Oi ***** off! It's not audience participation day!
(Come back Wednesday!)

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 15:36
No certainly not re: government.
I think it's a parents duty to instil a decent appreciation of what matters or not in life - and I will categorically say that any child of mine will swiftly be removed of the notion that crying over a sporting event is acceptable behaviour.
Read the thread again - apart from Churchill's initial misjudged post he made some good points including educating children to not to worry about things they can't control.

Righto. If you think I'm going over that lot again you've got another thing coming.

Who is to police parents that don't agree with you, or to say that your way is correct? I'm not sure if we've got too many child psychologists posting here this week.

I think 7 is too young to be telling kids that they shouldn't be crying (over anything). Obviously you don't. We might have just agreed to differ.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 15:39
Righto. If you think I'm going over that lot again you've got another thing coming.

Who is to police parents that don't agree with you, or to say that your way is correct? I'm not sure if we've got too many child psychologists posting here this week.

I think 7 is too young to be telling kids that they shouldn't be crying (over anything). Obviously you don't. We might have just agreed to differ.

We'll agree to differ then:smile

BA to the Stars
20th May 2008, 15:40
Let us get this in perspective.

It is the first time that either set of fans had seen their teams in a major final in living memory and may well be the only time they get to see them in a major final. There were grown men from both sides crying, either tears of joy or tears of sadness.

Both inside and outside the ground there was no trouble, fans of both teams travelled on the tube together talking to each other, no problem at all. It was quite a carnival atmosphere both before and after the game.

I was there so can provide a first hand witness account.

I hope that Bluebird's little one continues to go to football. It took me over 30 years of going to see my team win a major trophy but that is what being a fan is all about.

Moscow Mule
20th May 2008, 15:41
Let us get this in perspective.

It is the first time that either set of fans had seen their teams in a major final in living memory and may well be the only time they get to see them in a major final. There were grown men from both sides crying, either tears of joy or tears of sadness.

Both inside and outside the ground there was no trouble, fans of both teams travelled on the tube together talking to each other, no problem at all. It was quite a carnival atmosphere both before and after the game.

I was there so can provide a first hand witness account.

I hope that Bluebird's little one continues to go to football. It took me over 30 years of going to see my team win a major trophy but that is what being a fan is all about.

You sound like a fan, better get your flame-proofs on...

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:42
Let us get this in perspective.

It is the first time that either set of fans had seen their teams in a major final in living memory and may well be the only time they get to see them in a major final. There were grown men from both sides crying, either tears of joy or tears of sadness.

Both inside and outside the ground there was no trouble, fans of both teams travelled on the tube together talking to each other, no problem at all. It was quite a carnival atmosphere both before and after the game.

I was there so can provide a first hand witness account.

I hope that Bluebird's little one continues to go to football. It took me over 30 years of going to see my team win a major trophy but that is what being a fan is all about.

It's a game!

Sport.

No virgins were sacrificed - on either side!

What's with the tears?

<clap> there's another dead kid in Africa.:tantrum:

BA to the Stars
20th May 2008, 15:43
<clap> there's another dead kid in Africa.:tantrum:

Oi Bono - stop it ya evil b4st***

Churchill
20th May 2008, 15:46
Oi Bono - stop it ya evil b4st***

Right, the pub's open, enough fun for the day.

TTFN, Oi bogey, I'll leave a pint of Creme De Menthe in for you, ya puff!

Chugnut
20th May 2008, 15:50
No certainly not re: government.
I think it's a parents duty to instil a decent appreciation of what matters or not in life - and I will categorically say that any child of mine will swiftly be removed of the notion that crying over a sporting event is acceptable behaviour.
Read the thread again - apart from Churchill's initial misjudged post he made some good points including educating children to not to worry about things they can't control.

Agreed, it would have to be considered a bit on the soft side to be crying about your team losing if you're 32, but the lad was only 7.

It might have been the first time it happened. The original poster mentioned it in passing, and got congratulated on raising the next generation of scum. I don't get wound up by much, but I found that to be totally offensive.

I couldn't say that to my worst enemy, let alone some random on an internet forum.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 16:01
Agreed, it would have to be considered a bit on the soft side to be crying about your team losing if you're 32, but the lad was only 7.

It might have been the first time it happened. The original poster mentioned it in passing, and got congratulated on raising the next generation of scum. I don't get wound up by much, but I found that to be totally offensive.

I couldn't say that to my worst enemy, let alone some random on an internet forum.

Well you've got a point - but BB is a regular and will expect it.
Pointless taking offence here, wouldn't you say? You'd be in a perennial lather if you did :grin

Bluebird
20th May 2008, 16:02
Good to see that such a simple post can cause 190+ posts - hope all the clients are happy!

sasguru
20th May 2008, 16:03
Good to see that such a simple post can cause 190+ posts - hope all the clients are happy!

Yes it was a classic thread. 2200 views in a few hours. Hope you didn't take offence - as you can see CUK hasn't changed. And long may it stay the same.

DodgyAgent
20th May 2008, 16:04
Good to see that such a simple post can cause 190+ posts - hope all the clients are happy!

Back with a bang eh Bluebird :yay:

Bluebird
20th May 2008, 16:08
Back with a bang eh Bluebird :yay:

Just you wait til I mention Ir35 & Family Tax - although I guess you guys have done that oen to death.

Anyway, in the true spirit of CUK [ and to keep this post rolling ]...

...My 7 year old has not been reponsible for the deaths of over 100 football fans and numerous £££ worth of damage to property over the last 50 years - so to call him [ or me ] scum is a bit Pot, Kettle Black syndrome [ assuming you're all english f***wits ].

Pinto
20th May 2008, 16:09
hope all the clients are happy!

steady on, fella!

sasguru
20th May 2008, 16:09
[ assuming you're all english f***wits ].

Ok now you've gone and done it ...:laugh:laugh

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 16:10
Sorry,

Great that this was a hugely amusing thread, but calling someone's child 'scum' because they follow a football team is just so wrong.

Even more wrong, is that grown-ups on this forum chime in with it and defend the twat that propositioned it.

Take a long, hard look at yourselves in the mirror please. PLEASE!

Bluebird
20th May 2008, 16:11
Ok now you've gone and done it ...:laugh:laugh

Thought you'd like that one.

SAS, I'm off now.

C U all 2morrow.

BB

sasguru
20th May 2008, 16:11
Sorry,

Great that this was a hugely amusing thread, but calling someone's child 'scum' because they follow a football team is just so wrong.

Even more wrong, is that grown-ups on this forum chime in with it and defend the twat that propositioned it.

Take a long, hard look at yourselves in the mirror please. PLEASE!

I don't think anyone agreed with the "scum" part.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 16:13
Thought you'd like that one.

SAS, I'm off now.

C U all 2morrow.

BB

So do you really have a son or were you just twatting about?

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 16:28
Good to see that such a simple post can cause 190+ posts - hope all the clients are happy!

Great trolling then, you khunt.

sasguru
20th May 2008, 16:29
Hey Bogey, you're in a bit of a mood today. What's up, missus not putting out?:tongue

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 16:32
Hey Bogey, you're in a bit of a mood today. What's up, missus not putting out?:tongue

Well, come on! Trolling is trolling, nest pas?

BA to the Stars
20th May 2008, 16:32
...My 7 year old has not been reponsible for the deaths of over 100 football fans and numerous £££ worth of damage to property over the last 50 years - so to call him [ or me ] scum is a bit Pot, Kettle Black syndrome [ assuming you're all english f***wits ].

:spel English

I blame your son for booing God Save The Queen :wink

(Couldn't hear any booing at my end but then again we were all singing the national anthem).

Result aside, did he enjoy the experience?

Bagpuss
20th May 2008, 16:38
Bloody hell I go for a run and miss all the Kerfuffle, tend to agree with Realityhack. We all know Churchill likes to say controversial things and pull peoples chains.


I can understand why the kid cried, how often do small teams like Cardiff get to the FA Cup final these days? All that invested emotion and pride, followed by massive disappointment. Enough to make most small children upset. I'm sure Bluebird is wise enough to tell his son why he should still be proud.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 16:42
I can understand why the kid cried...


The mice will tell you.

BA to the Stars
20th May 2008, 16:46
Bloody hell I go for a run and miss all the Kerfuffle, tend to agree with Realityhack. We all know Churchill likes to say controversial things and pull peoples chains.


I can understand why the kid cried, how often do small teams like Cardiff get to the FA Cup final these days? All that invested emotion and pride, followed by massive disappointment. Enough to make most small children upset. I'm sure Bluebird is wise enough to tell his son why he should still be proud.

Bagpuss has hit the nail on the head. Spot on answer.

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 17:01
Bagpuss has hit the nail on the head. Spot on answer.

But what about the 'scum' issue?

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 17:23
Brillo took the opportunity to mention f4j AGAIN.


Does this mean I cant tell you about the time I was arrested? :mad

BA to the Stars
20th May 2008, 17:25
But what about the 'scum' issue?

I am sure that Bluebirds lad is not scum. Not all football are scum although unfortuanately it does attract more than it's fair share of people that you could refer to as scum but in 30 years of going to games, I have never been involved in any trouble.

It would be unfair to tar all football fans as scum, just the same way as all rugby union players are toffs (there are many working class clubs) or all contractors being tax dodgers :wink

BrilloPad
20th May 2008, 17:26
What gets me is the way BM keeps avoiding my questions....

bogeyman
20th May 2008, 17:30
What gets me is the way BM keeps avoiding my questions....

What questions? Please provide a bulleted list.

BA to the Stars
20th May 2008, 17:35
Sorry,

Great that this was a hugely amusing thread, but calling someone's child 'scum' because they follow a football team is just so wrong.

Even more wrong, is that grown-ups on this forum chime in with it and defend the twat that propositioned it.

Take a long, hard look at yourselves in the mirror please. PLEASE!

Totally agree. Football does cause great passion and emotion within many, including fully grown men, but it is not right to call BB's young 'un scum just because he follows Cardiff City. It was the lads biggest day of his life following his team.

I am sure that no-one on here knows BB's lad personally (apart from BB) so we cannot call him names purely because of the team or sport which he follows.

PRC1964
20th May 2008, 19:24
Does this mean I cant tell you about the time I was arrested? :mad

Please do, just make sure to post it in Accounting/Legal as that's where I spend most of my time.

beaker
20th May 2008, 21:23
What questions? Please provide a bulleted list.

You can find them in the Ask Beaker thread

ferret
20th May 2008, 23:47
God almighty, what the feck has occurred here?

Mrs Ferret (two weeks from popping) comes down with high blood pressure so have to spend the afternoon in the maternity hospital and I miss the thread of the year so far :tantrum:

I would give an opinion on all of this but don't want to fan the flames. Don't feck orf BM, we are all chunts and you know it :laugh

Thanks for sticking up for Bluebird's kiddie, I can almost remember being 7 and crying for all sorts of wimpish reasons that, had I had a Dad like Churchill, I am sure I would have been beaten black and blue for in case I turned into some sort of nancy boy. Spare the rod spoil the child eh?

Persoanlly, I would have beaten him for supporting Baadiff - but then I am a sh*thead and we have our own day of death or glory approaching this Saturday. If you see a bloke crying if Bristol City lose it could well be me so don't be too harsh. I am scum though.

Sorry NickFitz for mentioning football in a thread in General again, point taken. Sports related banter will only be posted in LR from now on, especially if City lose :wink

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 05:51
What questions? Please provide a bulleted list.

:suicide:

okay - you won.

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 05:53
Please do, just make sure to post it in Accounting/Legal as that's where I spend most of my time.

errr - damn - I have forgotten! I must do a post search - I hope the mods haven't removed the previous 26 times.

Churchill
21st May 2008, 05:55
Good morning!

I had a feeling that this thread (and possibly myself) were going to be deleted overnight.:eek

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 06:00
Good morning!

I had a feeling that this thread (and possibly myself) were going to be deleted overnight.:eek

If someone gets banned for use of the word scum (even if they are wrong) it would be very bad. Mind you, the removal of LR posts from total post count with no warning was reidiculous so one can never tell.

DS23
21st May 2008, 06:21
....Mind you, the removal of LR posts from total post count with no warning was reidiculous so one can never tell.

so it was that old roman bureaucrat that was responsible eh? damn that reidiculous!

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 06:23
so it was that old roman bureaucrat that was responsible eh? damn that reidiculous!

At least you kept your custom title. Unlike me.....

Churchill
21st May 2008, 06:25
At least you kept your custom title. Unlike me.....

You should be more like me mate, keep your nose clean and your head down, don't make waves...:D

DS23
21st May 2008, 06:27
lol. i think you should get a new one scourer. how about "arrested development"?

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 06:27
You should be more like me mate, keep your nose clean and your head down, don't make waves...:D

Imagine this forum if everyone was like you :eek:

DS23
21st May 2008, 06:28
You should be more like me mate, keep your nose clean and your head down, don't make waves...:D

you keep forgetting about that wagging tail.

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 06:29
lol. i think you should get a new one scourer. how about "arrested development"?

That is a good one - if I ever make godlike I will ask for that. As threads can be moved to LR at any time it makes it hard to get there - though somehow atw managed to keep his rubbish threads in general - was he bribing the mods?

Churchill
21st May 2008, 06:31
That is a good one - if I ever make godlike I will ask for that. As threads can be moved to LR at any time it makes it hard to get there - though somehow atw managed to keep his rubbish threads in general - was he bribing the mods?

Well, he is a member of the "Secret Brotherhood of the Squirrel"...:eek

Or as we Masons like to call it, "The Tufty Club"!

DS23
21st May 2008, 06:39
that brings back memories... i used to be a member of the tufty club.

DS23
21st May 2008, 06:39
i'd have been about 7 i suppose...

Churchill
21st May 2008, 06:51
i'd have been about 7 i suppose...

What football team did you support...?

DS23
21st May 2008, 07:02
What football team did you support...?

aston clinton cobras

Churchill
21st May 2008, 07:07
aston clinton cobras

Who are they?

Churchill - In "Accrington Stanley" mode!

DS23
21st May 2008, 07:53
i thought they were long deceased. seems in fact that they are alive and well though living under the aegis of the aston clinton colts. i used to play for the cobras in the 70's when i was a nipper. a quick google finds the colts web page http://www.astonclintoncolts.org.uk/ and the following is an extract.

Every child and young person who plays football should be able to participate in an enjoyable and safe environment and be protected from abuse. This is the responsibility of every adult involved in football.

We recognise, however, that child abuse is also a very emotive and difficult subject. It is important to understand the feelings involved but not to allow them to interfere with our judgment about any action to be taken. The Aston Clinton Colts recognises its responsibility to safeguard the welfare of all children and young people by protecting them from physical, sexual or emotional harm and from neglect or bullying.

Churchill
21st May 2008, 07:57
i thought they were long deceased. seems in fact that they are alive and well though living under the aegis of the aston clinton colts. i used to play for the cobras in the 70's when i was a nipper. a quick google finds the colts web page http://www.astonclintoncolts.org.uk/ and the following is an extract.

Every child and young person who plays football should be able to participate in an enjoyable and safe environment and be protected from abuse. This is the responsibility of every adult involved in football.

We recognise, however, that child abuse is also a very emotive and difficult subject. It is important to understand the feelings involved but not to allow them to interfere with our judgment about any action to be taken. The Aston Clinton Colts recognises its responsibility to safeguard the welfare of all children and young people by protecting them from physical, sexual or emotional harm and from neglect or bullying.

Admirable sentiments indeed.

DS23
21st May 2008, 08:00
nicely contrite. see - you can teach an old dog new tricks.

oracleslave
21st May 2008, 08:00
Admirable sentiments indeed.

Does the fact that they have to try and 'safeguard the welfare' of the kids mean they are surrounded by scum :confused:

EternalOptimist
21st May 2008, 08:03
i thought they were long deceased. seems in fact that they are alive and well though living under the aegis of the aston clinton colts. i used to play for the cobras in the 70's when i was a nipper. a quick google finds the colts web page http://www.astonclintoncolts.org.uk/ and the following is an extract.

Every child and young person who plays football should be able to participate in an enjoyable and safe environment and be protected from abuse. This is the responsibility of every adult involved in football.

We recognise, however, that child abuse is also a very emotive and difficult subject. It is important to understand the feelings involved but not to allow them to interfere with our judgment about any action to be taken. The Aston Clinton Colts recognises its responsibility to safeguard the welfare of all children and young people by protecting them from physical, sexual or emotional harm and from neglect or bullying.


Now how many people do you expect to disagree with that ?
Sanctimonius claptrap


:rolleyes:

BrilloPad
21st May 2008, 08:06
The Aston Clinton Colts recognises its responsibility to safeguard the welfare of all children and young people by protecting them from physical, sexual or emotional harm and from neglect or bullying.

Best way to do that is to shoot a family court judge.

ThomasSoerensen
30th May 2008, 15:38
Just you wait til I mention Ir35 & Family Tax - although I guess you guys have done that oen to death.

Anyway, in the true spirit of CUK [ and to keep this post rolling ]...

...My 7 year old has not been reponsible for the deaths of over 100 football fans and numerous £££ worth of damage to property over the last 50 years - so to call him [ or me ] scum is a bit Pot, Kettle Black syndrome [ assuming you're all english f***wits ].

:spel English

Bluebird
2nd June 2008, 14:44
:spel English

Sorry but no :devil it's given a "small" e on purpose.