Retrospective taxes are fair, says minister.

**stackpole** · 26 May 2008, 21:30

Totally fair. Your money belongs to the lefties.

**Badger** · 26 May 2008, 21:58

If I didn't have dependants here I'd be an ex-pat.

**OwlHoot** · 26 May 2008, 22:02

They still don't get it do they? It's this incessant flow of bossy interfering "initiatives", each with associated costs and inconvenience, that's making labour so hated by practically everyone. It's as if they're tightening us all ever harder in a web of red tape and won't let up.

Obviously the main issues centre round tax (up) and property values (down). But just things like doubling rubbish collection times, and all this recycling lark, must have severely pissed off hundreds of thousands of voters.

**Board Game Geek** · 27 May 2008, 02:56

It's this incessant flow of bossy interfering "initiatives", each with associated costs and inconvenience, that's making labour so hated by practically everyone

Well, we'd better get used to it, because after talking to a politics student from the UEA this weekend, "social engineering" and how to "get society to follow the model" is a growing part of their curriculum.

He explained to me :

"The whole point of government is to GOVERN. That is, to make decisions and choose the correct choices for the people of the country. The government have an effective mandate to do this via voting.

Most problems arise when there is conflict of opinion, which threatens to derail the government's decision making process. This is counter-productive to effective "governance" and must not be tolerated.

Therefore it is imperative to ensure that the "governed" are constantly "nudged" in the right direction, to ensure they don't deviate from the Government's plan, and in deviating, get themselves in to all sorts of trouble"

I think I lost him after this, since I'm not that interested in politics, but I do like to say hello to all the people at a party, even the ones who sit on their own in the corner.

However, the lasting thought I had was "Is this what the politicians of tomorrow are learning today ?"

**expat** · 27 May 2008, 06:18

A dramatic and chilling insight, BGG. Summed up in 1 phrase: 'how to "get society to follow the model" '.

Wrong: how to get the model to follow society?

**sunnysan** · 27 May 2008, 07:09

Stab List

Blears,Primarolo, Harman and now ... Ruddock.

How much more of these ex Bliar babes can we take.

Why does the country need enemies when you have ministers like this.

**threaded** · 27 May 2008, 07:14

Yes, but this argument of the English versus the French model of government has been going on for centuries. The old English model means the poor are relatively well off, in fact most Europeans are still instinctively jealous of this, but have weak government, vica versa for the French model. What the New Lie would like is the French model, and what would you expect, all of them are power mad.

**Churchill** · 27 May 2008, 07:20

Originally posted by threaded View Post

Yes, but this argument of the English versus the French model of government has been going on for centuries. The old English model means the poor are relatively well off, in fact most Europeans are still instinctively jealous of this, but have weak government, vica versa for the French model. What the New Lie would like is the French model, and what would you expect, all of them are power mad.

Yeah, yeah, let's have some rioting on the street!!!

To arms Brothers!!! To arms!!!

Ooops, we can't do that anymore, it's illegal. Oh well...

**BrilloPad** · 27 May 2008, 07:21

Originally posted by Churchill View Post

Yeah, yeah, let's have some rioting on the street!!!

To arms Brothers!!! To arms!!!

Ooops, we can't do that anymore, it's illegal. Oh well...

Only way to get rioting is to announce end of big brother or mcdonalds or something the prols care about.

Retrospective taxes are fair, says minister.