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[ratewhore]

Reference the guy who gassed his children. There's been a few instances over the last couple of years of dad's taking extreme action in the face of divorce, access to their children etc (and I'm talking extreme, not dressing as a super hero).

Made me wonder if this is the action of a few men taken beyond the edge of their coping system or whether it is partly to do with the underlying discrimination in the court system (and govt in general, look at the IVF news currently) against fathers.

Just a thought...

[DiscoStu]

Reference the guy who gassed his children. There's been a few instances over the last couple of years of dad's taking extreme action in the face of divorce, access to their children etc (and I'm talking extreme, not dressing as a super hero).

Made me wonder if this is the action of a few men taken beyond the edge of their coping system or whether it is partly to do with the underlying discrimination in the court system (and govt in general, look at the IVF news currently) against fathers.

Just a thought...

It isn't extreme action, it's the murder of two innocent children. Doesn't matter how biased/unfair the court system is, nothing comes anywhere near to justifying what he did.

[The Lone Gunman]

It isn't extreme action, it's the murder of two innocent children. Doesn't matter how biased/unfair the court system is, nothing comes anywhere near to justifying what he did.

Desperate men take desperate measures.
There are no excuses, but something drove him to do what he did.

We are told over and over again that we must take account of the feelings of <place downtrodden minority here> but we can safely ignore the feelings of the anglo white male.
This guy felt that his world would end if he lost his kids. Faced with that he chose not to lose them. With a certain degree of certainty that he would not lose them he may have walked a different path.

[Churchill]

It isn't extreme action, it's the murder of two innocent children. Doesn't matter how biased/unfair the court system is, nothing comes anywhere near to justifying what he did.

WHS.

The nutter shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

Unfortunately, there are no mandatory qualifications for parenthood - apart from the obvious...

[Cyberman]

Desperate men take desperate measures.
There are no excuses, but something drove him to do what he did.

We are told over and over again that we must take account of the feelings of <place downtrodden minority here> but we can safely ignore the feelings of the anglo white male.
This guy felt that his world would end if he lost his kids. Faced with that he chose not to lose them. With a certain degree of certainty that he would not lose them he may have walked a different path.

The guy had lost his wife, his job, and was about to lose his kids and his house through the courts. He had also been in contact with 'Fathers for Justice' and obviously felt that his life had been destroyed. I have a small amount of sympathy for him and other fathers that lose their children through the courts.
Perhaps he thought that as he may never see his kids again for years, as has happened to some fathers....one was even jailed for waving at his kids as they were driven to school!!...... that his life may not be worth living. A very sad story indeed !!

[TheBigYinJames]

Perhaps he thought that as he may never see his kids again for years, as has happened to some fathers....one was even jailed for waving at his kids as they were driven to school!!...... that his life may not be worth living. A very sad story indeed !!

That's fair enough, if he felt his life was over... end it. taking innocent children's lives with him makes him an inhuman murderer not worthy of any sympathy IMHO.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I hate lawyers and the Family court system more than almost anything except Shane Ritchie and Fiona Philips, but there's no excuse for killing your kids.

As a new father I feel certain that however low my O/H stoops I won't kill my kid - I can see how it might get bad enough to top myself though - and to that extent I feel sorry for the guy.

[VectraMan]

That's fair enough, if he felt his life was over... end it. taking innocent children's lives with him makes him an inhuman murderer not worthy of any sympathy IMHO.

I don't think anybody is suggesting he should get sympathy, or his actions are in any way excused. I think what RateWhore was saying was this is indicative of the way fathers are treated, and perhaps a lesson should be learned.

[TheBigYinJames]

I don't think anybody is suggesting he should get sympathy, or his actions are in any way excused. I think what RateWhore was saying was this is indicative of the way fathers are treated, and perhaps a lesson should be learned.

I think it's dangerous to use the actions of one sad sick individual to make political noises in favour of some point or other. Hundreds or thousands of men go through the rough roller-coaster of the courts without resorting to murder.

[snaw]

I think it's dangerous to use the actions of one sad sick individual to make political noises in favour of some point or other. Hundreds or thousands of men go through the rough roller-coaster of the courts without resorting to murder.

Agree - how many women kill themselves and their kids, seems just as common an occurrence as men doing the same- who should we blame for that?