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DiscoStu
2nd July 2008, 12:11
They have probably the most secure jobs in the country, the price they pay is crappier salaries than they'd get in the real world. If they don't like it they can always quit and work somewhere else. What we need is someone to get rid of public sector unions...

Sausage Surprise
2nd July 2008, 12:15
They have probably the most secure jobs in the country, the price they pay is crappier salaries than they'd get in the real world. If they don't like it they can always quit and work somewhere else. What we need is someone to get rid of public sector unions too...

I'm sitting in the office of one such establishment at this very moment (large one in Scotland). At 10.15 this morning I sauntered downstairs to the canteen to get a coffee :eek the canteen had at least 200 of them sitting stuffing their faces....they work flexi time you know :laugh

Moscow Mule
2nd July 2008, 12:17
What we need is someone to get rid of public sector unions too...

:spel 10 levels of management (http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=821)

DiscoStu
2nd July 2008, 12:19
I'm sitting in the office of one such establishment at this very moment (large one in Scotland). At 10.15 this morning I sauntered downstairs to the canteen to get a coffee :eek the canteen had at least 200 of them sitting stuffing their faces....they work flexi time you know :laugh

This is another thing that annoys me. I've worked on a couple of public sector contracts when people wander in around 10, spend a few hours chatting, leave at 3 and still seem to accrue a flexi-day every week so they don't bother coming in on Fridays. Nice to see your tax pound put to such efficient use.

Marina
2nd July 2008, 12:27
This is another thing that annoys me. I've worked on a couple of public sector contracts when people wander in around 10, spend a few hours chatting, leave at 3 and still seem to accrue a flexi-day every week so they don't bother coming in on Fridays. Nice to see your tax pound put to such efficient use.

There's a simple solution to that - clocking in and out with security cards, and if anyone is caught using someone else's card both should be dismissed.

Course, that doesn't prevent them dossing around all day once checked in. But it's a start.

DiscoStu
2nd July 2008, 12:29
There's a simple solution to that - clocking in and out with security cards, and if anyone is caught using someone else's card both should be dismissed.

Course, that doesn't prevent them dossing around all day once checked in. But it's a start.

It's a great plan, except I can see the news story now with some scouse union leader banging on about how it'd be an infringement of their human rights or some other such tulip.

DimPrawn
2nd July 2008, 12:30
They have probably the most secure jobs in the country, the price they pay is crappier salaries than they'd get in the real world. If they don't like it they can always quit and work somewhere else. What we need is someone to get rid of public sector unions...

They also get great free pensions and retire in their 30's.


Shoot them all and replace them with slaves.

Diver
2nd July 2008, 12:30
It's a great plan, except I can see the news story now with some scouse union leader banging on about how it'd be an infringement of their human rights or some other such tulip.

and the cost to the taxpayer would be in the millions as usual

Bagpuss
2nd July 2008, 12:33
This is another thing that annoys me. I've worked on a couple of public sector contracts when people wander in around 10, spend a few hours chatting, leave at 3 and still seem to accrue a flexi-day every week so they don't bother coming in on Fridays. Nice to see your tax pound put to such efficient use.

Sounds like some contracts I've had

expat
2nd July 2008, 12:33
This is another thing that annoys me. I've worked on a couple of public sector contracts when people wander in around 10, spend a few hours chatting, leave at 3 and still seem to accrue a flexi-day every week so they don't bother coming in on Fridays. Nice to see your tax pound put to such efficient use.You should see it in France. I worked there at the Caisse des Depots (governmental agency handling some kinds of private and intergovt deposits and share transactions). Staff about 50-50 private and public sector. The contrast was stark. For example, the public sector lot went on strike (paid of course) against the 35-hour week. No way were they going to work that much. And I heard one say to another, leaving about 3 pm, "see you tomorrow". Reply, "no, I'll be at home, I'm on strike tomorrow". Matter-of-fact: I'm having a day off.

ace00
2nd July 2008, 12:35
There's a simple solution to that - clocking in and out with security cards, and if anyone is caught using someone else's card both should be dismissed.

Course, that doesn't prevent them dossing around all day once checked in. But it's a start.

Nice idea, but whose gonna enforce it? The 10-3 shift is the managers.
The plebs have to stay as late as 4 sometimes.

I alway's liked John Bolton's quote about the UN:
"The Secretariat building in New York has 38 stories. If you lost ten stories today, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."
Really, it applies to all public sector. Lot of private sector too.

expat
2nd July 2008, 12:36
It's a great plan, except I can see the news story now with some scouse union leader banging on about how it'd be an infringement of their human rights or some other such tulip.Or Jock!

Remember the Heathrow baggage handlers? One guy was caught for persistent theft. So he was fired. They went on strike to get this overturned. BAA caved in, then wanted to put in CCTV to watch him. Victimisation, they said. OK, we''ll watch everybody at work. Invasion of privacy, they said.

Oooooooh, you don't get me.....

Zippy
2nd July 2008, 12:36
They have probably the most secure jobs in the country, the price they pay is crappier salaries than they'd get in the real world. If they don't like it they can always quit and work somewhere else. What we need is someone to get rid of public sector unions...

I take it you are working for the Civil Service atm? Just get it off your chest and breathe ..... breathe ......

lambrini_socialist
2nd July 2008, 12:36
wife told me a funny story about her previous NHS Trust job (where, btw, they are now so paranoid about being lambasted by the right-wing press for wasting taxpayers' money, that employees are forbidden from charging their mobile phones at work in order to keep electricity bills down):

a full departmental meeting was called to debate who should foot the bill for coffee, tea and biscuits, whether a payment rota was needed etc. the meeting was quickly disbanded when one smartarse pointed out that the cost they'd already incurred simply by holding the meeting (in terms of paying salaries) outweighed any possible savings to be made by streamlining the whole Tea/Coffee/Biscuit stakeholder paradigm.

Bagpuss
2nd July 2008, 12:40
I've heard some classics of NHS management

1/ A manager who timed his meetings by clockwork train set. Winds up train, when train stops, meeting stops.

2/ A guy who had the several people from the IT dept run out to an airport for an IT emergency. Travelling manager did not have minesweeper on his laptop.


Apparently in the NHS they get rid of incompetent people via promotion

DiscoStu
2nd July 2008, 12:41
I take it you are working for the Civil Service atm? Just get it off your chest and breathe ..... breathe ......

Fortunately I've escaped the public sector, but it just makes me so cross everytime I read about some union leader banging on about how little they're paid and how badly they're treated when if you put half of them in the private sector they'd be binned within weeks for being crap.

Sockpuppet
2nd July 2008, 12:45
There's a simple solution to that - clocking in and out with security cards, and if anyone is caught using someone else's card both should be dismissed.

Course, that doesn't prevent them dossing around all day once checked in. But it's a start.

Or do what we do here (for the permies, us external consultants are expempt). To clock in and out you need to provide a hand scan. Palm + Finger Prints.

All of these machines are also covered by CCTV so your mate can't bring your severed hand in either.

Zippy
2nd July 2008, 12:45
Fortunately I've escaped the public sector, but it just makes me so cross everytime I read about some union leader banging on about how little they're paid and how badly they're treated when if you put half of them in the private sector they'd be binned within weeks for being crap.

I know :hug:

I used to (naively) suggest that - if they were so unhappy - there were lots of better paid, more fulfilling jobs out there. Then I'd have to listen to the excuses for why they couldn't (pension, working hours, having to work etc). Sigh ...

TheBigYinJames
2nd July 2008, 12:46
There is a simpler solution. Stop worrying about what other people are "getting away with". What goes around comes around.

ratewhore
2nd July 2008, 12:49
...but it just makes me so cross everytime I read about some union leader banging on about how little they're paid...

Sorry, are you talking about the poor underpaid fuel bowser drivers now?

Sockpuppet
2nd July 2008, 12:52
Sorry, are you talking about the poor underpaid fuel bowser drivers now?

Not public sector.

So I say fair play to them.

ratewhore
2nd July 2008, 12:53
Not public sector.

So I say fair play to them.

I bloody don't. If you feel you're underpaid, get another job...

Diver
2nd July 2008, 12:54
God!

Complain to Robert Mugabe

Here's his eMail address - zimonline@gta.gov.zw

It really is :D

BA to the Stars
2nd July 2008, 13:37
God!

Complain to Robert Mugabe

Here's his eMail address - zimonline@gta.gov.zw

It really is :D

And he will send the boys round

If you are white, he will consider it a bonus

Sockpuppet
2nd July 2008, 13:38
I bloody don't. If you feel you're underpaid, get another job...

So you've never asked for a rate rise then or have you always left your current contract in order to increase your rate?

End of the day companies exist to make money out of people. Employees should exist to take as much off them as possible.