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Cyberman
13th September 2008, 11:17
I love those lovely muslims !! :sick

http://news.theage.com.au/world/saudi-law-allows-murder-for-immoral-tv-20080913-4fqd.html

snaw
13th September 2008, 11:26
I love those lovely muslims !! :sick

http://news.theage.com.au/world/saudi-law-allows-murder-for-immoral-tv-20080913-4fqd.html

So you spend you Saturdays trawling the net for anti muslim reoprts etc. Or you just get them straight from whatever bigoted website I'm sure you normally frequent.

Go crawl back under your rock Cyberman, do us all a favour.

Cyberman
13th September 2008, 11:32
So you spend you Saturdays trawling the net for anti muslim reoprts etc. Or you just get them straight from whatever bigoted website I'm sure you normally frequent.

Go crawl back under your rock Cyberman, do us all a favour.



No need for the abuse !! I heard it first on our national radio this morning and looked for the customary link. You are paranoid sir !!!:moon:

PM-Junkie
13th September 2008, 12:39
So you spend you Saturdays trawling the net for anti muslim reoprts etc. Or you just get them straight from whatever bigoted website I'm sure you normally frequent.

Go crawl back under your rock Cyberman, do us all a favour.

Indeed...islam is a completely peaceful cult, sorry I mean "religion", and nobody should ever say otherwise, or criticise it in any way. If you do, then it's only right you have your head chopped off by a peaceful koran-basher.

Cyberman
13th September 2008, 13:09
Indeed...islam is a completely peaceful cult, sorry I mean "religion", and nobody should ever say otherwise, or criticise it in any way. If you do, then it's only right you have your head chopped off by a peaceful koran-basher.



As usual, we are told that we cannot exercise free speech when we find something abhorrent regarding muslims, but the muslims can preach murder of an innocent man running his business without reproach.

Muslims should decide whether they adhere to western law and principles and put their adopted country above their religion, in which case they are very welcome in the UK, or whether they wish to adhere to the barbarity of summary executions and murder of innocents, marriage to minors etc, in which case they should remain in their place of birth. :rolleyes:

Paddy
13th September 2008, 13:19
If you read the article and break it down into sentences you fined it is made up from quotes, conjecture, opinion and hearsay. Analyse the article and you will find the headline and first paragraph meaningless.

basshead
13th September 2008, 13:59
Muslims should decide whether they adhere to western law and principles and put their adopted country above their religion, in which case they are very welcome in the UK, or whether they wish to adhere to the barbarity of summary executions and murder of innocents, marriage to minors etc, in which case they should remain in their place of birth. :rolleyes:

Is your rant against immigrants, or Muslims, or both? You seem confused :laugh

BrilloPad
13th September 2008, 14:01
I love those lovely muslims !! :sick

http://news.theage.com.au/world/saudi-law-allows-murder-for-immoral-tv-20080913-4fqd.html

So the muslims are great people! I think UK should allow muirder of murdoch - and anyone who reads his rags.

Mind you - no telegraph 1 day this week so I bought the times :emb

PM-Junkie
13th September 2008, 14:01
...if they could direct their attention to that Amy Whitehouse character, I might agree with them :wink

Troll
13th September 2008, 14:02
I love those lovely muslims !! :sick

http://news.theage.com.au/world/saudi-law-allows-murder-for-immoral-tv-20080913-4fqd.html

actually .... could they not extend this to include Channel 4?

Troll
13th September 2008, 14:02
Mind you - no telegraph 1 day this week so I bought the times :embBoth pale shadows of their former selves

AlfredJPruffock
13th September 2008, 14:41
The fact of the matter is that the Saudis, given their control of the US economy can and do act with impunity - eg 9-11 attacks arranged by the Intelligence Agencies and the Laden family backed by Saudi Arabia , result is more arm sales to Saudi , the withdrawl of the US Amercian bases from Saudi under pressue from the regieme - and secular Iraq takes the hit for 9-11 - time and time again the Saudis have defied the West and the US is helpless to act .

So dont be beastly to the Saudis please, just look the other way and be glad you dont happen to live there.

BrilloPad
13th September 2008, 15:22
Both pale shadows of their former selves

This is true! But I still reckon Telegraph is relatively the best. What do you think?

snaw
13th September 2008, 16:34
No need for the abuse !! I heard it first on our national radio this morning and looked for the customary link. You are paranoid sir !!!:moon:

No abuse, just an observation that you started two threads today (at least), both negative about muslims. You could ust as easily post negative comments re christians, jews, sikhs etc. Bit of an agenda, not too hard to spot either.

SandyDown
13th September 2008, 16:56
Can’t deny- I don’t think killing pornographic media owners(disguised pimps) is such a bad thing.

Cyberman
13th September 2008, 17:13
No abuse, just an observation that you started two threads today (at least), both negative about muslims. You could ust as easily post negative comments re christians, jews, sikhs etc. Bit of an agenda, not too hard to spot either.



Yep, I heard the fatwa on the radio, looked for a link to verify and post. I saw on the same site something else that I also found abhorrent regarding marriage of 8 year olds and also posted that. Have you heard of free speech and paedophilia. I think its absolutely disgusting to abuse children in this way and have a right in the UK to post it. Feel free to post similar items on Christians, Jews and Sikhs because I would post against them also if this was going on with state consent.

I'm not sure that Christians, Jews and Sikhs hang gay minors either !!

:tantrum:

Paddy
13th September 2008, 17:44
Yep, I heard the fatwa on the radio, looked for a link to verify and post. I saw on the same site something else that I also found abhorrent regarding marriage of 8 year olds and also posted that. Have you heard of free speech and paedophilia. I think its absolutely disgusting to abuse children in this way and have a right in the UK to post it. Feel free to post similar items on Christians, Jews and Sikhs because I would post against them also if this was going on with state consent.

I'm not sure that Christians, Jews and Sikhs hang gay minors either !!

:tantrum:



Jews are very pragmatic about their religion except when it comes to
real-estate but Christians were burning, crushing, hanging drawn and quartering up until quite recently.

Diver
13th September 2008, 18:31
Yep, I heard the fatwa on the radio, looked for a link to verify and post. I saw on the same site something else that I also found abhorrent regarding marriage of 8 year olds and also posted that. Have you heard of free speech and paedophilia. I think its absolutely disgusting to abuse children in this way and have a right in the UK to post it. Feel free to post similar items on Christians, Jews and Sikhs because I would post against them also if this was going on with state consent.

I'm not sure that Christians, Jews and Sikhs hang gay minors either !!

:tantrum:

:yay::yay::yay:

Troll
13th September 2008, 18:47
Jews are very pragmatic about their religion except when it comes to
real-estate but Christians were burning, crushing, hanging drawn and quartering up until quite recently.
February 21, 1803
Edward Despard, last person drawn and quartered in England

HTH

Cyberman
13th September 2008, 18:48
Jews are very pragmatic about their religion except when it comes to
real-estate but Christians were burning, crushing, hanging drawn and quartering up until quite recently.


You are correct, but we are now in the 21st century and those attitudes have long gone, thankfully.
Islam and Sharia law have to move into this century also, but at the moment I despair at the barbarism, racism and bigotry of their leaders.

Followers that believe in Sharia law should not be living in the civilised West until they can accept our system of law, government , religious tolerance, democracy and freedom of speech.

Cyberman
13th September 2008, 20:37
February 21, 1803
Edward Despard, last person drawn and quartered in England

HTH


Not according to Wikipedia, which states that the sentence was commuted to hanging and beheading to avoid public dissent. Interesting though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Marcus_Despard :wink

Paddy
13th September 2008, 21:01
February 21, 1803
Edward Despard, last person drawn and quartered in England

HTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWbZOl0Wyw


http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/capital_hist.htm

“Gibbeting - where executed corpses were displayed publicly in cages - was abolished in 1843. In 1861, the number of capital crimes to four: murder, treason, arson in royal dockyards and piracy with violence. Public executions stopped in 1868 and the hanging, beheading and quartering of traitors ended in 1870.”

I think that crushing to death also ended around 1870 (i saw the site last year), it’s not all that long ago in historical terms.

NotAllThere
14th September 2008, 11:56
What about this (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122099204692716155.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries)attempt to criminalise criticism of Islam, from the Wall Street Journal.

You can be convicted in your absence, in an Islamic country. You'll be fine in most European countries, but if you go somewhere where freedom isn't quite so highly valued, you run the risk of being extradited.

I do wonder when (if) mainstream Islam will get out of the middle-ages.

It seems to me that muslims who take offence at the slightest provocation are far more guilty of bringing the religion into disrepute, than, e.g. some rather peurile cartoons.

PM-Junkie
14th September 2008, 13:00
What about this (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122099204692716155.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries)attempt to criminalise criticism of Islam, from the Wall Street Journal.

You can be convicted in your absence, in an Islamic country. You'll be fine in most European countries, but if you go somewhere where freedom isn't quite so highly valued, you run the risk of being extradited.

I do wonder when (if) mainstream Islam will get out of the middle-ages.

It seems to me that muslims who take offence at the slightest provocation are far more guilty of bringing the religion into disrepute, than, e.g. some rather peurile cartoons.

No no no...you don't understand. Islam a peaceful "religion", has the utmost respect for women, is not intent on forcing its philosophy on the entire planet and doesn't believe in violence.

...and I am the Tzar of Russia.

xoggoth
14th September 2008, 15:48
Wahabinist Islam is a quite appalling irrational creed that has no place in modern society. About time some stopped living in world where reality never shines and started looking at the facts.

OwlHoot
14th September 2008, 15:56
[url]I think that crushing to death also ended around 1870 (i saw the site last year).

Pressing was abolished in the 1770s, partly because the Fleet ditch was bricked over at that time (and I think today it's a good 50 feet below street level).

In case anyone wasn't aware, pressing was a medievil relic whereby if someone charged with a felony refused to plead, whether guilty or not guilty, they would be taken to a room called the Pressing Room in Newgate Prison, spreadeagled to the floor with chains and have large paving stones piled on their chest. Hence the expressions "pressing charges" and "getting the weight off your chest".

By custom, during this process (which might last days) they were given only bread, and water from the nearby Fleet Ditch (see above) which by then was a fetid poisonous swamp. :sick

It was quite a crafty form of torture because, as well as obviously being distressing, the difficulty in breathing meant the prisoner became short of oxygen and thus light headed and confused, which made it more likely they would yield.

For some utterly bizarre reason, and I've no idea why, if the accused successfully resisted making a plea then upon conviction their goods and chattels were not forfeit to the Crown (whereas they all were if the accused had entered a plea). So for anyone with property they wished to pass on, there was a big incentive to resist making a plea, and an equal incentive for the Crown to force one out of them.

After pressing was abolished, the obvious solution was adopted of entering a not guilty plea on the accused's behalf if they refused to plead. But as forfeiture was abolished not long after, the issue soon became moreorless moot anyway.

lilelvis2000
14th September 2008, 20:49
Wahabinist Islam is a quite appalling irrational creed that has no place in modern society. About time some stopped living in world where reality never shines and started looking at the facts.

WHS. What happens when nuts have money and power.

Unfortunately some in this site believe that Saudi's run Islam.

trsisko
14th September 2008, 21:24
considering the crap I seen on fox tv and sky, well I wonder why?

PM-Junkie
14th September 2008, 21:55
What happens when nuts have money and power.



...um, they get elected president of the usa?

daviejones
15th September 2008, 06:52
Backward bloody savages...there, I have said it!! :tantrum:

GreenerGrass
15th September 2008, 07:11
Unfortunately some in this site believe that Saudi's run Islam.

They try to

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2653266/Preachers-of-separatism-at-work-inside-Britains-mosques.html