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    Fury at $2.5bn Lehman bonus

    Fury at $2.5bn Lehman bonus

    Nomura and Barclays table bids today for US giant’s London operation as bank’s administrator likens collapse to Enron (AtW's comment: this is the first sign of lawsuits to come.)
    John Waples and Danny Fortson

    STAFF at Lehman’s New York office who helped to cause the world’s biggest corporate bankruptcy are to share in a $2.5 billion bonanza.

    The bonus, which has been described by London staff as a “scandal” has been pledged by Barclays Capital, the British-based bank that last week acquired Lehman’s American operation and took on 10,000 staff.

    The $2.5 billion (£1.4 billion) pot, which has been ring-fenced as part of the acquisition (AtW's comment: NO WORDS!!!), has caused huge resentment among the 5,000 staff in the firm’s European and Middle Eastern operations who are not guaranteed to be paid after this month. There are, however, hopes that half the jobs in Lehman’s Canary Wharf office could be saved today by either Barclays or Nomura. Bids are being submitted for its UK equities and investment-banking business.

    A Chapter 11 bankruptcy document filed by Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc says that Barclays has identified eight individuals out of the New York staff of 10,000 who are vital to make the deal succeed and a further 200 who are identified as “key”. It is thought that these eight directors will be locked into two-year contracts worth between $10m and $25m a year.

    The $2.5 billion had been accrued as part of the contribution to Lehman’s group profits for the first nine months of the year. Barclays said there is no obligation to pay it out but analysts say the competitive pressure to keep key staff means he will have to. Bob Diamond, president of Barclays Capital, said: “You can expect us to manage this with the same discipline and performance terms that we have at BarCap”.

    The biggest bonuses are likely to be for Michael Gelband, the bank's global head of capital markets, and Eric Felder and Hyung Soon Lee, global co-heads of fixed income.

    Barclays has asked all 10,000 employees to attend work tomorrow at the bank’s Manhattan headquarters. Over the next three months

    it will decide how many to keep and will use some of the bonus to meet remuneration packages. It is thought several thousand could be made redundant.

    One London-based Lehman employee said: “It’s an absolute scandal. I will never work for an American firm again. It looks like they are prepared to cut you off at the knees. Nobody from America has been in touch since we went into administration on Monday.”

    Another said: “Every other financial institution has been saved, including Lehman Brothers in the US, but it’s another story for the employees in Europe.”

    Lehman has attempted to demonstrate in recent years that it is a global united company. Its mission statement says: “We are one firm.”

    Price Waterhouse Coopers (PWC), the administrator to Lehman’s European operation has demanded that the firm repay £4.4 billion that was transferred from the UK to Lehman’s US holding company just hours before the firm collapsed. This left London with no money to pay staff.

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    This is not even funny - bank goes bankrup with ridiculous liabilities (I think $500 bln), and the staff still get billions as their "bonus" for previous year which they clearly did not do very well as otherwise they would not have gone bust??!?! Even Enron did not behave like this

    #2
    Yeah I am continually confused about this whole Banking/Executive renumeration thing - is *anyone* worth several million a year? Is *anyone* REALLY that good at management?

    Surely if we have learnt anything from last week its that there is a clear correlation between salary (with bonus's) and incompetence. Now that the banks actions have been exposed even the man on the street (i.e. us) can see the stupidity of their actions, so why did these multi-million dollar 'titans of industry' fail to miss the glaringly obvious???

    That Lehman Brothers, America's fourth-biggest investment bank, found itself hurtling headlong into bankruptcy proceedings was shocking enough, yet for all the drama that it entailed, it was possible to label it an example of one man's hubris, the contorted emotional refusal of Dick Fuld, Lehman's autocratic boss, to accept scraps where he still saw gold. Offered $6-a-share by a Korean suitor while the investment bank's shares traded closer to $9, I'm told, Fuld's rejection was robust and emphatic.

    Dick Fuld? Dick Head more like it - you might expect better from a man who has received half a billion dollars in renumeration from his time at Lehmans.

    Yet despite the sheer disbelief after last week that the extrememly well-paid finance executives could have been so utterly incompetent, the big salaries have not been questioned. Until this aspect of the banking crisis is examined and some sensibility returns to renumeration packages for executives, we are IMHO doomed to repeat the same cycle again and again. Big Big money obviously attracts the wrong kind of people to the job.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Stan.goodvibes View Post
      Yeah I am continually confused about this whole Banking/Executive renumeration thing
      remuneration

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        #4
        Originally posted by Stan.goodvibes View Post
        Yeah I am continually confused about this whole Banking/Executive renumeration thing - is *anyone* worth several million a year? Is *anyone* REALLY that good at management?

        Surely if we have learnt anything from last week its that there is a clear correlation between salary (with bonus's) and incompetence. Now that the banks actions have been exposed even the man on the street (i.e. us) can see the stupidity of their actions, so why did these multi-million dollar 'titans of industry' fail to miss the glaringly obvious???

        That Lehman Brothers, America's fourth-biggest investment bank, found itself hurtling headlong into bankruptcy proceedings was shocking enough, yet for all the drama that it entailed, it was possible to label it an example of one man's hubris, the contorted emotional refusal of Dick Fuld, Lehman's autocratic boss, to accept scraps where he still saw gold. Offered $6-a-share by a Korean suitor while the investment bank's shares traded closer to $9, I'm told, Fuld's rejection was robust and emphatic.

        Dick Fuld? Dick Head more like it - you might expect better from a man who has received half a billion dollars in renumeration from his time at Lehmans.

        Yet despite the sheer disbelief after last week that the extrememly well-paid finance executives could have been so utterly incompetent, the big salaries have not been questioned. Until this aspect of the banking crisis is examined and some sensibility returns to renumeration packages for executives, we are IMHO doomed to repeat the same cycle again and again. Big Big money obviously attracts the wrong kind of people to the job.
        Ask yourself - if you were offered a million pouhd bonus - would you turn it down ?

        You see if you are at the Pig Tough - theres no questions asked - Im sure Sven Eirksson has pocketed his annual million from the FA without any compunction.

        So it goes...

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          #5
          But these people are stars (like footballers). While they dont provide entertainment then do keep the economic wheels turning.

          eeerrr - hang on a minute......

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            #6
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            ... Barclays has identified eight individuals out of the New York staff of 10,000 who are vital to make the deal succeed and a further 200 who are identified as “key”. It is thought that these eight directors will be locked into two-year contracts worth between $10m and $25m a year.

            The $2.5 billion had been accrued as part of the contribution to Lehman’s group profits for the first nine months of the year. Barclays said there is no obligation to pay it out but analysts say the competitive pressure to keep key staff means he will have to. ...
            It is absolutely necessary to spend how much? Just to keep those "key" people who ran the firm so well in the past??

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              #7
              Originally posted by expat View Post
              It is absolutely necessary to spend how much? Just to keep those "key" people who ran the firm so well in the past??
              There are still some IBs recruiting out there.

              A loss for some is an opportunity for others.

              Like lawyers - these people always win.

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                #8
                You needn't worry the bonus will be underwritten by the British tax payer as Lehman's toxic debt now belongs to Barclays so the UK government will be pressed to contribute to the trillion dollar bail out.
                I'm alright Jack

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                  #9
                  Answer is yes, some managers and traders do deserve such a bonus.

                  Not only manager, if a young yuppie trader makes a few deals a moth generating a few millions, then do the same thing next month, repeat for the whole year, then this means he is worth at least 1 million profit, else he will go to a competitor (takes his contacts most likely) and generate those million to someone else...

                  On the other hand a Dr for example, works million times harder than the young trader, but does a Dr generate that much money to NHS?? no most likely they cost the NHS as much as that trade is making a day... but that's the nature of the job.

                  Is it fair? no, but business is business.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by SandyDown View Post
                    Answer is yes, some managers and traders do deserve such a bonus.

                    Not only manager, if a young yuppie trader makes a few deals a moth generating a few millions, then do the same thing next month, repeat for the whole year, then this means he is worth at least 1 million profit, else he will go to a competitor (takes his contacts most likely) and generate those million to someone else...

                    On the other hand a Dr for example, works million times harder than the young trader, but does a Dr generate that much money to NHS?? no most likely they cost the NHS as much as that trade is making a day... but that's the nature of the job.

                    Is it fair? no, but business is business.
                    Yes agreed.
                    All you losers take your moaning somewhere else - go and live in Cuba or North Korea or somewhere.
                    Hard Brexit now!
                    #prayfornodeal

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