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Flashman
8th October 2008, 18:39
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20081008/tuk-3-000-computer-contract-jobs-axed-6323e80.html

Thousands of jobs of workers on Government computer contracts are to be axed over the next two years, union officials have been told.

The news - following last month's takeover of EDS by Hewlett Packard, the world's largest personal computer maker - was described as a "huge blow" to workers.

Sack the permies, keep the contractors?

chef
8th October 2008, 19:39
boomed !! :banana:

Stan.goodvibes
8th October 2008, 20:14
I did a contract for EDS a couple of years back - it was so badly managed it was frightening. EDS management could make Dick Fuld or Gordon Brown look like Warren Buffett on steriods.

Quite frankly that article is good news on 2 fronts - a)for the staff who are getting laid off, in hindsight this will prove to be one of the best things that happened to them, and b) the less EDS is involved in govt contracts the better for the govt all round and you the people.

SantaClaus
8th October 2008, 20:17
I did a contract for EDS a couple of years back - it was so badly managed it was frightening. EDS management could make Dick Fuld or Gordon Brown look like Warren Buffett on steriods.

Quite frankly that article is good news on 2 fronts - a)for the staff who are getting laid off, in hindsight this will prove to be one of the best things that happened to them, and b) the less EDS is involved in govt contracts the better for the govt all round and you the people.

I hate the f*!"£@s too. They messed me around at a well known bank and took huge amounts of commission for my hard work.

They take the taxpayer for millions, have a nice cosy arrangement with the govt and provide employment for any 3rd world country that isnt England.

I hope they lose all their govt. contracts. :devil

Troll
8th October 2008, 22:41
Working with EDS staff = :suicide:

Working with Accenture staff = :suicide::suicide:
Working with Accenture female staff =:suicide::throw::suicide::throw::suicide:

I'm still trying to work out is it because they all appear to be recent graduates and hence know fook all, or whether they do in-house training courses on "how to fook up projects completely in order to maximise revenues by extending the duration"

Stan.goodvibes
9th October 2008, 04:11
I remember the day about 3 months into the contract (which had gone screamingly over budget (millions) without actually delivering a result), when we were all called into a meeting with senior management.

In a (prescient) Dick-Fuld-type moment, one of the female management team members exclaimed that they were canning the project, and were not sure what had actually gone wrong.

I was sitting on my hands barely managing to stop myself from raising my arm and going ' ooh ooh I know, I know. Please Miss...'

It was my first contract with a big global 'firm'. I am constantly amazed that they still get contracts (check out the 'Controversy' section of the EDS page on wikipedia). If HP has any sense they'll just close the business down and sack everyone, a cheap(ish) way to remove a major competitor, and save thousands if not millions of ordinary people from being inconvenienced by their shoddy software projects.

lilelvis2000
9th October 2008, 10:23
Say, wasn't EDS supposed to return millions from the bungled Tax Credits contract....except that the government agreed to pay them less on future contracts..hence assuring them of future work. At least that's what I recall.

ChimpMaster
9th October 2008, 11:20
Blind leading the Blind - that was my view whilst consulting for EDS on one of their government projects. Completely and utterly inept.

cupidstunt
9th October 2008, 11:45
Working with EDS staff = :suicide:

Working with Accenture staff = :suicide::suicide:
Working with Accenture female staff =:suicide::throw::suicide::throw::suicide:

I'm still trying to work out is it because they all appear to be recent graduates and hence know fook all, or whether they do in-house training courses on "how to fook up projects completely in order to maximise revenues by extending the duration"

Can't comment re EDS but for the rest whs with bells on.

ratewhore
9th October 2008, 12:11
Quite frankly that article is good news on 2 fronts - a)for the staff who are getting laid off, in hindsight this will prove to be one of the best things that happened to them, and b) the less EDS is involved in govt contracts the better for the govt all round and you the people.

a) I'm not sure the people who get laid off would agree with that flippant remark.
b) Out of interest, and I'll put this to the floor, which companies would be able to fill the shoes of EDS in a more efficient and cost-effective manner?

I'll set out my stall here so as not to be accused of defending them - I have contracted in the past for EDS on large HMG programmes. I've also seen what a complete PITA it is to have HMG agencies as clients so I do have some sympathy for the likes of EDS, ACC etc...

Cowboy Bob
9th October 2008, 12:19
b) Out of interest, and I'll put this to the floor, which companies would be able to fill the shoes of EDS in a more efficient and cost-effective manner?


Many, many smaller companies. 99% of the time a project is only complicated because the consultancy wants it to be and because the staff are incompetent - lets face it, the only people who would work for EDS, Accenture and the like are those who don't know any better or can't do any better. I've contracted for a small company in the Midlands that actually won quite a large Gov department integration project (for Prescott's office when he was around) and it was completed on budget and on time - it was actually reported in the press as a rare case of Gov IT success.

gingerjedi
9th October 2008, 12:41
Many, many smaller companies. 99% of the time a project is only complicated because the consultancy wants it to be and because the staff are incompetent - lets face it, the only people who would work for EDS, Accenture and the like are those who don't know any better or can't do any better. I've contracted for a small company in the Midlands that actually won quite a large Gov department integration project (for Prescott's office when he was around) and it was completed on budget and on time - it was actually reported in the press as a rare case of Gov IT success.

I resent that statement!

My last contract was with EDS and my current one is with HP, their 'Borg' like approach has left us with little choice if you want to work on the support side of things.

The last 3 client sites I've worked on used to have their own IT department and the users resent EDS & HP taking over but they themselves are taken over by a massive conglomerate that want HP to support them and that’s that. I would rather contract for a smaller more specialist outfit but they are all being ‘assimilated’ so what can I do?

TheBigYinJames
9th October 2008, 12:51
Blind leading the Blind - that was my view whilst consulting for EDS on one of their government projects. Completely and utterly inept.

Agreed. My experience too.

stingman123
9th October 2008, 13:04
Idiots the lot of them, I contracted for the for about 5 years on various projects and all of them went massively overbudget. Once example that springs to mind is me runnnig a rollout for a site for @ 5000 users, completing the rollout and my RDM sends me 24 servers with backup units, 24 UPS's, 300 laptops and 4000 base units and TFT monitors (they were really expensive a few years ago) 200 KVM's, and 300 Cisco switches. I ring and ask him what they are for, he doesn't know, nobody at Telford knows, ComputaCenter have their money so they don't care, I get asked to take the serial no's of all the kit so they can keep a record of it. Most of it got nicked (by bloody civil servants) in the end and nobody seemed to bother.

I also worked on the prison service and MOD projects without any SC! They assumed I had it!

stingman123
9th October 2008, 14:27
Oh, and also their FBI does IT attitude,
i.e masses if EDS staff in dark suits and shades, bluetooth headsets on, mumbling "Nothing to see here" whilst sheperding you away from another EDS mess (I've seen it happen, many times)

Flashman
10th October 2008, 10:22
Oh, and also their FBI does IT attitude,
i.e masses if EDS staff in dark suits and shades, bluetooth headsets on, mumbling "Nothing to see here" whilst sheperding you away from another EDS mess (I've seen it happen, many times)

They do seem to b reliant on using spreadsheets for everything and anything.

EDS - powered by Excel ! :laugh

s2budd
10th October 2008, 10:32
I have sympathy for the staff members of EDS who are loosing their jobs on a personal level but no sympathy at all for EDS, Accenture and HP. On a more general level they are very badly managed and resourced - i.e. cheap.

I have worked with an for HP, EDS, IBM, Accenture and Sun.
The best in general by far is Sun. It's a shame that they disdanded the department. IBM - in gereral good but sometimes instead of getting an end product you just get a report!

It all comes down to the cost for the job. If someone wants something cheap
that may or may not work / no handover and cost overruns etc then the EDS types fit the bill. It they want a product that costs what it says on the tin and is handed over professionally then IBM/ Sun fit the bill.

You get what you pay for and with EDS, Accenture HP etc that is not very much.

Bob Dalek
10th October 2008, 10:35
I have sympathy for the staff members of EDS who are loosing their jobs on a personal level but no sympathy at all for EDS, Accenture and HP. On a more general level they are very badly managed and resourced - i.e. cheap.

I have worked with an for HP, EDS, IBM, Accenture and Sun.
The best in general by far is Sun. It's a shame that they disdanded the department. IBM - in gereral good but sometimes instead of getting an end product you just get a report!

It all comes down to the cost for the job. If someone wants something cheap
that may or may not work / no handover and cost overruns etc then the EDS types fit the bill. It they want a product that costs what it says on the tin and is handed over professionally then IBM/ Sun fit the bill.

You get what you pay for and with EDS, Accenture HP etc that is not very much.

This spelling error is now a capital offence. Write your will now and make peace with your God.

s2budd
10th October 2008, 11:21
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
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I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.


(doing lines is so much easier now than in the old days)

DiscoStu
10th October 2008, 11:25
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
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I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry god. It will not happen again. Honest.

(doing lines is so much easier now than in the old days)

:spel God ;)

s2budd
10th October 2008, 12:01
Oh bugger....

I'm sorry God. It will not happen again. Honest.
I'm sorry God. It will not happen again. Honest.
....

gingerjedi
10th October 2008, 12:32
I have sympathy for the staff members of EDS who are loosing their jobs on a personal level but no sympathy at all for EDS, Accenture and HP. On a more general level they are very badly managed and resourced - i.e. cheap.

I have worked with an for HP, EDS, IBM, Accenture and Sun.
The best in general by far is Sun. It's a shame that they disdanded the department. IBM - in gereral good but sometimes instead of getting an end product you just get a report!

It all comes down to the cost for the job. If someone wants something cheap
that may or may not work / no handover and cost overruns etc then the EDS types fit the bill. It they want a product that costs what it says on the tin and is handed over professionally then IBM/ Sun fit the bill.

You get what you pay for and with EDS, Accenture HP etc that is not very much.

That'll be almost everyone then.:rolleyes: