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sasguru
10th October 2008, 10:22
The decline has taken years. And by various sleights of hand the illusion of prosperity has been preserved and taken in otherwise intelligent people. No government has tackled the root problems though:

- low productivity
- poor education/training
- low social status of technical/science/engineering people
- low level of advanced manufacturing (with a few exceptions)
- the cult of personality (by which I mean bull-shitters are taken at face value)

Meanwhile unproductive people in finance, media, celebrity culture are glorified and presented as paragons of virtue. Accomplishment in any field, self-discipline, thrift are forgotten virtues.

What is coming is truly deserved.

AlfredJPruffock
10th October 2008, 10:24
...shoorly shum mistake ????

You say you want a Revolution
Well you know - we all want to change the World

But if you carrying pictures of Chairman Alf
You aint gonna make it with anyone - anyhow

But you know its gonna be - All Right !!!!

Dundeegeorge
10th October 2008, 10:33
Who would have thought that a Labour government would screw up the economy? Anyone who lived under one before, for a kick-off........

sasguru
10th October 2008, 10:36
Who would have thought that a Labour government would screw up the economy? Anyone who lived under one before, for a kick-off........

It goes beyond party politics and right to the culture of the country.
A people get what they deserve.

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 10:36
Who would have thought that a Labour government would screw up the economy? Anyone who lived under one before, for a kick-off........


So true !!! I keep hoping that New Lie will prove me wrong, but it seems that 'WHOOPS' they've done it again. :laugh

Peoplesoft bloke
10th October 2008, 10:40
So true !!! I keep hoping that New Lie will prove me wrong, but it seems that 'WHOOPS' they've done it again. :laugh

No you don't !

expat
10th October 2008, 10:45
So true !!! I keep hoping that New Lie will prove me wrong, but it seems that 'WHOOPS' they've done it again. :laughYou are fiddling while Rome is burning. Sasguru's good points are nothing to do with either party.

Dundeegeorge
10th October 2008, 10:45
It goes beyond party politics and right to the culture of the country.
A people get what they deserve.

So the people believe that money for nothing is a good thing? The people believe that turning public-services into a cash-urinal is a good thing? The people believe that unaccountable politicians is a good thing? What's the weather like on planet SAS, is it warm there too?

DimPrawn
10th October 2008, 10:47
The decline has taken years. And by various sleights of hand the illusion of prosperity has been preserved and taken in otherwise intelligent people. No government has tackled the root problems though:

- low productivity
- poor education/training
- low social status of technical/science/engineering people
- low level of advanced manufacturing (with a few exceptions)
- the cult of personality (by which I mean bull-tulipters are taken at face value)

Meanwhile unproductive people in finance, media, celebrity culture are glorified and presented as paragons of virtue. Accomplishment in any field, self-discipline, thrift are forgotten virtues.

What is coming is truly deserved.

HANG ON A MINUTE! :bluelight

Isn't this EXACTLY what AtW has been saying for years and your rebuke is that all that matters is London and the City and finance?

Talk about changing your tune.

ratewhore
10th October 2008, 10:49
It goes beyond party politics and right to the culture of the country.

WHS. It comes to something when even a chav like Noel Gallagher says the country is a tuliphole.

Thing is, how do you go about changing it?

Spacecadet
10th October 2008, 10:52
WHS. It comes to something when even a chav like Noel Gallagher says the country is a tuliphole.

Thing is, how do you go about changing it?

Brain wash him till he says its not a shithole

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 10:54
So the people believe that money for nothing is a good thing? The people believe that turning public-services into a cash-urinal is a good thing? The people believe that unaccountable politicians is a good thing? What's the weather like on planet SAS, is it warm there too?



Roll on 2010 and a return to the days of sensible taxation and spending, abolition of IR35, HIPS, Human Rights Act............ Utopia :happy

PRC1964
10th October 2008, 10:54
Brain wash him till he says its not a tuliphole
But brain washing requires a brain to be present.

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 10:57
No you don't !


If they improved the economy, and did not tax everything that moves or doesn't move and weren't so scheisse at everything, I'd vote for them..:happy

Bagpuss
10th October 2008, 11:02
Roll on 2010 and a return to the days of sensible taxation and spending, abolition of IR35, HIPS, Human Rights Act............ Utopia :happy


:spel rises in indirect
:spel creation of expensive new quangos
:spel doing nothing with

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 11:05
:spel rises in indirect

:spel doing nothing with


Time will tell, but I am very confident that lies and deceit will be left behind in 2010. :happy

Peoplesoft bloke
10th October 2008, 11:05
If they improved the economy, and did not tax everything that moves or doesn't move and weren't so scheisse at everything, I'd vote for them..:happy

Liar

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 11:10
Liar


:moon: :laugh:banana:

sasguru
10th October 2008, 12:10
HANG ON A MINUTE! :bluelight

Isn't this EXACTLY what AtW has been saying for years and your rebuke is that all that matters is London and the City and finance?

Talk about changing your tune.

When did I say that ALL that matters is the City and Finance?
I take issue with atW's naive "City bad, regulate everything" Soviet mindset.
The City has a huge role to play, but it shouldn't be the only thing going

ace00
10th October 2008, 12:11
Yes, well off out of it. What really pi55es me off on occasional visits is the cameras, everywhere. It's creepy and not right.

sasguru
10th October 2008, 12:13
So the people believe that money for nothing is a good thing? The people believe that turning public-services into a cash-urinal is a good thing? The people believe that unaccountable politicians is a good thing? What's the weather like on planet SAS, is it warm there too?

Which planet are you on? The people voted Labour in 3 times in a row so it must be true.

tay
10th October 2008, 12:13
I agree with SAS, particularly the sad state of affiars with the sciences. They are the most 'uncool' subjects in school.
My best mate did his Phd in inorganic chemistry and worked very hard, lands a position doing research at Cambridge and gains a salary of 19k a year...... the winner of big brother gets five times that at least...

Its not a UK issue though, its a western issue.

Dundeegeorge
10th October 2008, 12:15
Which planet are you on? The people voted Labour in 3 times in a row so it must be true.

What was the percentage of people who voted for NuLabia?

Peoplesoft bloke
10th October 2008, 12:16
Which planet are you on? The people voted Labour in 3 times in a row so it must be true.

and John Major in 1992 when he thought he was going to lose.

Flashman
10th October 2008, 12:55
The decline has taken years. And by various sleights of hand the illusion of prosperity has been preserved and taken in otherwise intelligent people. No government has tackled the root problems though:

- low productivity
- poor education/training
- low social status of technical/science/engineering people
- low level of advanced manufacturing (with a few exceptions)
- the cult of personality (by which I mean bull-tulipters are taken at face value)

Meanwhile unproductive people in finance, media, celebrity culture are glorified and presented as paragons of virtue. Accomplishment in any field, self-discipline, thrift are forgotten virtues.

What is coming is truly deserved.

99 % agreement

Not sure Finance will still be a major UK industry in, say, twenty years time.

Almost certainly in the next decade or so the EU will try to 'regulate' the City of London out of existence. The Euro's have always hated London and New Yorks 'casino' capitalism and the Recession will be the perfect excuse to destroy one of them.

The main centre of finance in the EU will move from London to Frankfurt.

Surviving 'British' financial institutions will move to Switzerland, Dubai, Singapore etc etc

In the long term UK Banking maybe just another dead industry like shipbuilding, steel making, coal-mining, fishing etc etc that we used to do well.

Moscow Mule
10th October 2008, 12:57
In the long term UK Banking may well be just another dead industry like shipbuilding, steel making, coal-mining, fishing etc etc that we used to do well.

We'll all have to reskill to become a nation of missile builders then - 'cos that's all the industry we'll have left!

BrilloPad
10th October 2008, 13:06
The decline has taken years. And by various sleights of hand the illusion of prosperity has been preserved and taken in otherwise intelligent people. No government has tackled the root problems though:

- low productivity
- poor education/training
- low social status of technical/science/engineering people
- low level of advanced manufacturing (with a few exceptions)
- the cult of personality (by which I mean bull-tulipters are taken at face value)

Meanwhile unproductive people in finance, media, celebrity culture are glorified and presented as paragons of virtue. Accomplishment in any field, self-discipline, thrift are forgotten virtues.

What is coming is truly deserved.

I think you forget to mention footballers.

ratewhore
10th October 2008, 13:08
We'll all have to reskill to become a nation of missile builders then - 'cos that's all the industry we'll have left!

BOOMED!!

:banana:


igmc

Peoplesoft bloke
10th October 2008, 13:26
What was the percentage of people who voted for NuLabia?

35.3% in 2005
40.7% in 2001
43.2% in 1997

John Major was elected in 1992 on 41.9%
Thatcher - 1987 - 42.2%
1983 - 42.4%
1979 - 43.9%

Toastiness
10th October 2008, 13:32
Does anyone think that matters would be that different if the other lot had been in charge ?
I mean the tories don't have a great record in avoiding Stock Market panics, House Price bubbles or recessions, if memory serves me right ?

But then that's just me....

Toastiness

Bagpuss
10th October 2008, 13:34
Does anyone think that matters would be that different if the other lot had been in charge ?
I mean the tories don't have a great record in avoiding Stock Market panics, House Price bubbles or recessions, if memory serves me right ?

But then that's just me....

Toastiness


According to Cybertory the Conservatives would have lowered interest rates to make the bubble worse. I suspect they would have been a little more sensible than that, but you are probably correct. Only political Zealots convince themselves otherwise.

cupidstunt
10th October 2008, 13:36
Does anyone think that matters would be that different if the other lot had been in charge ?
I mean the tories don't have a great record in avoiding Stock Market panics, House Price bubbles or recessions, if memory serves me right ?

But then that's just me....

Toastiness

Not that he needs an invite but I am sure the cybertory will be along to point out the errors of your opinion.

Edit..Damn Bagpuss

Peoplesoft bloke
10th October 2008, 13:39
Does anyone think that matters would be that different if the other lot had been in charge ?
I mean the tories don't have a great record in avoiding Stock Market panics, House Price bubbles or recessions, if memory serves me right ?

But then that's just me....

Toastiness
Yeah, CyberTory - and as for all those Tory cock-ups, he explains those by reference to previous Labour governments. even more than ten years in to Tory rule. He (and a few others on here) are so dyed in the wool they really think that Tories can only do good except when they do bad things that Labour make them do......hilarious.

sasguru
10th October 2008, 13:39
Not that he needs an invite but I am sure the cybertory will be along to point out the errors of your opinion.

Edit..Damn Bagpuss

:spel CyberCretin

ratewhore
10th October 2008, 15:19
He (and a few others on here) are so dyed in the wool they really think that Tories can only do good except when they do bad things that Labour make them do......hilarious.

Reverse thinking of a few NL drones on here...

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 15:25
Yeah, CyberTory - and as for all those Tory cock-ups, he explains those by reference to previous Labour governments. even more than ten years in to Tory rule. He (and a few others on here) are so dyed in the wool they really think that Tories can only do good except when they do bad things that Labour make them do......hilarious.


Please do explain, because I cannot remember blaming a Tory cockup on Labour. I can however remember many occasions the reverse scenario, even by the current HMG. :laugh

contractor79
10th October 2008, 15:27
The decline has taken years. And by various sleights of hand the illusion of prosperity has been preserved and taken in otherwise intelligent people. No government has tackled the root problems though:

- low productivity
- poor education/training
- low social status of technical/science/engineering people
- low level of advanced manufacturing (with a few exceptions)
- the cult of personality (by which I mean bull-tulipters are taken at face value)

Meanwhile unproductive people in finance, media, celebrity culture are glorified and presented as paragons of virtue. Accomplishment in any field, self-discipline, thrift are forgotten virtues.

What is coming is truly deserved.

Amen.
Solutions?
1. Pull out of EU
2. Stop immigration
3. Start to keep taxpayers money in british banks not overseas
4. Bring back cane in school and proper education
5. Close down all aspects of political correctness in our universities and public sector
etc

Cyberman
10th October 2008, 15:31
Amen.
Solutions?
1. Pull out of EU
2. Stop immigration
3. Start to keep taxpayers money in british banks not overseas
4. Bring back cane in school and proper education
5. Close down all aspects of political correctness in our universities and public sector
etc


Hear Hear !! ... and also NEVER adopt the Euro, and promote the family as the highest aspiration of a relationship !!!:D

DiscoStu
10th October 2008, 15:32
Hear Hear !! ... and also NEVER adopt the Euro, and promote the family as the highest aspiration of a relationship !!!:D

Sounds more like going back to the dark ages to me...

Bagpuss
10th October 2008, 15:35
I wonder if contractor 79 confuses Health and Safety legislation with political correctness.

sasguru
10th October 2008, 15:39
Amen.
Solutions?
1. Pull out of EU
2. Stop immigration
3. Start to keep taxpayers money in british banks not overseas
4. Bring back cane in school and proper education
5. Close down all aspects of political correctness in our universities and public sector
etc

Do any of these points really address mine?
Jeez there are some really thick people on this forum:rolleyes:

BrilloPad
10th October 2008, 18:27
Hear Hear !! ... and also NEVER adopt the Euro, and promote the family as the highest aspiration of a relationship !!!:D

And send children up chimneys?

HairyArsedBloke
10th October 2008, 18:30
And send children up chimneys?

Don't be silly. They're too fat.

BrilloPad
10th October 2008, 18:33
Don't be silly. They're too fat.

A year in the work-house on gruel will see to that...