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OwlHoot
17th December 2008, 15:23
another comment on Guido's blog from a Civil Service mole ..


Normally one should follow just the money. However the anger in the upper echelons of The Civil Service, about being set up as fall guys by Brown, is about money as well.

Snotty is vetoing any meeting with The Opposition because this might allow the fact that no one is buying UK debt and we are racing towards default on upcoming paper.

This matter carries "D" notice style caveats, not valid in such talks. The Mandarins are becoming panic struck that their gold plated billions are not going to materialise. The tension is enormous.

If you all out there think Gordon Brown and his cabinet are doing a grand job I'm afraid you really do not realise how bad it is. There is about to be the most terrible bust up when The Civil Service payroll is suspended for three months!

Have you not wondered about Darling's glum face, Howell's comments? The signs are there. I'm not worried about leaking, I'll be out on my ear soon enough. Lastly, the ideas to tackle this are AMAZING!

December 17, 2008 1:13 PM

I'm sure this guy(ess) is genuine. There's something about the terse matter-of-fact style.

That parting shot sounds very ominous to me. The most likely idea must be an Argentina-style nationalization of personal savings. So if you have any significant savings in UK institutions, I'd think very carefully about shifting it somewhere safe before McSnotty steals it all. Seriously ...

PM-Junkie
17th December 2008, 15:33
No no - you don't understand. All we have to do is join the Euro. AtWat the Almighty has said so.

Mich the Tester
17th December 2008, 15:34
No no - you don't understand. All we have to do is join the Euro. AtWat the Almighty has said so.
What would the rate be?

PM-Junkie
17th December 2008, 15:36
What would the rate be?

It matters not a jot. We just have to join up and everything will be hunkey dorey.

minestrone
17th December 2008, 15:37
I have a very large sum sitting in the bank just now, I really want to get it out the country.

Could I just open up an account in a foreign bank and transfer the monies out and therefore into Euros?

ThomasSoerensen
17th December 2008, 15:42
I have a very large sum sitting in the bank just now, I really want to get it out the country.

Could I just open up an account in a foreign bank and transfer the monies out and therefore into Euros?

I have an account with plenty of room :-)

Peoplesoft bloke
17th December 2008, 15:43
I have a very large sum sitting in the bank just now, I really want to get it out the country.

Could I just open up an account in a foreign bank and transfer the monies out and therefore into Euros?

I think there are quite a few Nigerian Princes who would be happy to help you with that.

Mich the Tester
17th December 2008, 15:44
Gordon’s five economic tests for joining the euro;
1. Are business cycles and economic structures compatible so that we and others could live comfortably with euro interest rates on a permanent basis?
Yes, we’re all f**ked at the same time now.

2. If problems emerge is there sufficient flexibility to deal with them?
Yes, if you think massive taxpayer bailouts for f**ked banks are a sign of flexibility.

3. Would joining EMU create better conditions for firms making long-term decisions to invest in Britain?
Yes, it can’t be worse than now.
4. What impact would entry into EMU have on the competitive position of the UK's financial services industry, particularly the City's wholesale markets?
Erm, I think the City’s competitive position is rapidly becoming somewhat irrelevant.

5. In summary, will joining EMU promote higher growth, stability and a lasting increase in jobs?
See answer to test 3.

sasguru
17th December 2008, 15:44
another comment on Guido's blog from a Civil Service mole ..



I'm sure this guy(ess) is genuine. There's something about the terse matter-of-fact style.

That parting shot sounds very ominous to me. The most likely idea must be an Argentina-style nationalization of personal savings. So if you have any significant savings in UK institutions, I'd think very carefully about shifting it somewhere safe before McSnotty steals it all. Seriously ...

Linky?

expat
17th December 2008, 15:46
Linky?e.g Google Guido, first link, top article, "Comments", scroll down to post from "your favourite mole"

HTH

AlfredJPruffock
17th December 2008, 15:49
Ive had enough of readin all these gloomy posts.

In the long run - we are all Dead.

OwlHoot
17th December 2008, 15:56
Linky?

oh yes, sorry, here (http://www.order-order.com/2008/12/pmqs-live-chat-harman-hague-and-cable.html)

Minestrone, or anyone, If you have large amounts of savings I'd get your skates on. It can't be long before exchange controls are reintroduced if the pound continues to slide or they plan a savings grab.

minestrone
17th December 2008, 16:00
oh yes, sorry, here (http://www.order-order.com/2008/12/pmqs-live-chat-harman-hague-and-cable.html)

Minestrone, or anyone, If you have large amounts of savings I'd get your skates on. It can't be long before exchange controls are reintroduced if the pound continues to slide or they plan a savings grab.

I'm still in the dark as to how to do this, and how much comission would you pay on a 6 figure sum.

expat
17th December 2008, 16:00
oh yes, sorry, here (http://www.order-order.com/2008/12/pmqs-live-chat-harman-hague-and-cable.html)

Minestrone, or anyone, If you have large amounts of savings I'd get your skates on. It can't be long before exchange controls are reintroduced if the pound continues to slide or they plan a savings grab.1. rationalisation of pensions (for their own protection) into state pension scheme.
2. retrospective taxation on any 25% tax-free lump sum already taken (they have already changed its name to Pension Commencement Lump Sum - see what disappeared?)
3. exit taxes on savings taken out of the country.

Nah, I'm just making it up.

Peoplesoft bloke
17th December 2008, 16:06
It's likely to become self fulfilling if all the doomongers cause a massive outflow to foreign shores.

TimberWolf
17th December 2008, 16:07
1. rationalisation of pensions (for their own protection) into state pension scheme..

That one seems feasible to me, in the less immediate future.

OwlHoot
17th December 2008, 16:07
1. rationalisation of pensions (for their own protection) into state pension scheme.
2. retrospective taxation on any 25% tax-free lump sum already taken (they have already changed its name to Pension Commencement Lump Sum - see what disappeared?)
3. exit taxes on savings taken out of the country.

Nah, I'm just making it up.

And the rest - Temporary nationalisation of property and land even (not mentioned until after the next election of course, as it wouldn't exactly be a vote winner).

They'll stop at nothing.

Peoplesoft bloke
17th December 2008, 16:10
And the rest - Temporary nationalisation of property and land even (not mentioned until after the next election of course, as it wouldn't exactly be a vote winner).

They'll stop at nothing.

Total bollocks and not even new bollocks - I remember an old (Tory) codger telling me before the '82 election that Labour would win and would then nationalise all land - it's as rrrrrs now as it was then.

expat
17th December 2008, 16:14
Total bollocks and not even new bollocks - I remember an old (Tory) codger telling me before the '82 election that Labour would win and would then nationalise all land - it's as rrrrrs now as it was then.I think that is true, but I don't think the three suggestions I made are quite so extreme, and I could see them, one by one.

Peoplesoft bloke
17th December 2008, 16:19
I think that is true, but I don't think the three suggestions I made are quite so extreme, and I could see them, one by one.

Yes I agree - I guess it depends on how bad things really do get.

I wonder if the 3 months of no pay for Civil Servants would ever happen.

Purple Dalek
17th December 2008, 16:26
I recon they're printing money. They were setting up all the legal framework for it a few days ago. Final look see I had was of the instrument to hide the changes.

Mich the Tester
17th December 2008, 16:28
I recon they're printing money. They were setting up all the legal framework for it a few days ago. Final look see I had was of the instrument to hide the changes.Well then at least there'll be something to keep the fireplace going. (http://img.tfd.com/wiki/c/ca/Inflation-1923.jpg)

minestrone
17th December 2008, 16:54
Made an attempt to get an International LLoyds TSB account based in the Channel Islands, need passport number so I will probably do that tonight.

I wil make sure I am not getting shafted on any commision as well.

I will feel much safer knowing that it is in Euro and out of the country.

Peoplesoft bloke
17th December 2008, 17:21
Made an attempt to get an International LLoyds TSB account based in the Channel Islands, need passport number so I will probably do that tonight.

I wil make sure I am not getting shafted on any commision as well.

I will feel much safer knowing that it is in Euro and out of the country.

Nice work, if enough people do the same we'll really be shafted.

expat
17th December 2008, 17:29
Nice work, if enough people do the same we'll really be shafted.It is wrong to put your money where it can't be touched. All your savings are belong to us.

Peoplesoft bloke
17th December 2008, 17:33
It is wrong to put your money where it can't be touched. All your savings are belong to us.

I didn't say that and I don't blame anyone, but if enough people do it, it will make things worse.

Bagpuss
17th December 2008, 18:07
another comment on Guido's blog from a Civil Service mole ..



I'm sure this guy(ess) is genuine. There's something about the terse matter-of-fact style.

That parting shot sounds very ominous to me. The most likely idea must be an Argentina-style nationalization of personal savings. So if you have any significant savings in UK institutions, I'd think very carefully about shifting it somewhere safe before McSnotty steals it all. Seriously ...

This is the best consiracy theory on this board since the days of the 11/9 bombings:laugh

OwlHoot
17th December 2008, 18:38
This is the best consiracy theory on this board since the days of the 11/9 bombings:laugh

*shrug* Take it or leave it.

If you don't think the mole is genuine then yes, fair enough, it's all a big giggle. Otherwise, can I remind you, they word they use for the ideas being considered is "AMAZING".

But time will tell, and if the worse happens don't say you weren't warned. :eek:

BTW If anyone is relying on an inheritance in due course from their aged Ps it would probably be realistic now to lower their expectations, most likely to zero.

BrilloPad
17th December 2008, 18:42
I know a few good banks in iceland. Was it Bumfluff who recommended Icesave?

AtW
17th December 2008, 19:05
Gordon’s five economic tests for joining the euro;
1. Are business cycles and economic structures compatible so that we and others could live comfortably with euro interest rates on a permanent basis?
Yes, we’re all f**ked at the same time now.

2. If problems emerge is there sufficient flexibility to deal with them?
Yes, if you think massive taxpayer bailouts for f**ked banks are a sign of flexibility.

3. Would joining EMU create better conditions for firms making long-term decisions to invest in Britain?
Yes, it can’t be worse than now.
4. What impact would entry into EMU have on the competitive position of the UK's financial services industry, particularly the City's wholesale markets?
Erm, I think the City’s competitive position is rapidly becoming somewhat irrelevant.

5. In summary, will joining EMU promote higher growth, stability and a lasting increase in jobs?
See answer to test 3.


:yay:

I'll make you my advisor to the Treasure (if or when I take over it).

AtW
17th December 2008, 19:07
I didn't say that and I don't blame anyone, but if enough people do it, it will make things worse.

Maybe enough people will come to London and force General Elections.

Sysman
18th December 2008, 09:01
another comment on Guido's blog from a Civil Service mole .. There is about to be the most terrible bust up when The Civil Service payroll is suspended for three months!



Have you not wondered about Darling's glum face, Howell's comments? The signs are there. I'm not worried about leaking, I'll be out on my ear soon enough. Lastly, the ideas to tackle this are AMAZING!

December 17, 2008 1:13 PM


I'm sure this guy(ess) is genuine. There's something about the terse matter-of-fact style.

That parting shot sounds very ominous to me. The most likely idea must be an Argentina-style nationalization of personal savings. <snip>


How about this theory, which takes into account the bit about The Civil Service payroll being suspended.

The Civil Service, or at least large chunks of them (and NHS maybe?) are all given jobs as contractors. Thus the real purpose of IR35 is revealed. Haven't you always wondered about that Friday to Monday bit? It would certainly apply in this case.

This would allow the transfer of the long term Civil Service pension liability elsewhere, or at least freeze its growth.

Wanna take bets on Accenture becoming the largest umbrella company in the UK? :)

As a final bit of poetic justice, Dawn Primarolo will realize that they used her as a pawn, knowing her hatred of contractors, to implement IR35 when all along the intended victims were her precious Civil Service and NHS.

Purple Dalek
18th December 2008, 09:08
How about this theory, which takes into account the bit about The Civil Service payroll being suspended.

The Civil Service, or at least large chunks of them (and NHS maybe?) are all given jobs as contractors. Thus the real purpose of IR35 is revealed. Haven't you always wondered about that Friday to Monday bit? It would certainly apply in this case.

This would allow the transfer of the long term Civil Service pension liability elsewhere, or at least freeze its growth.

Wanna take bets on Accenture becoming the largest umbrella company in the UK? :)

As a final bit of poetic justice, Dawn Primarolo will realize that they used her as a pawn, knowing her hatred of contractors, to implement IR35 when all along the intended victims were her precious Civil Service and NHS.

Your idea has legs, truly has. Yes, I can see it happening.

AlfredJPruffock
18th December 2008, 09:22
Your idea has legs, truly has. Yes, I can see it happening.

I think there will be panic - given the Daleks will have perfected the Reality Bomb by nexy year its safe to say that - whoops - now Ive let the cat out the bag.

Crumbs ...

BrilloPad
18th December 2008, 09:24
Maybe enough people will come to London and force General Elections.

2 million marched against the Iraq war.

what makes you think governments care what people think?

expat
18th December 2008, 09:39
2 million marched against the Iraq war.

what makes you think governments care what people think?Not as long as they get elected. Well, Brown hasn't been elected to high office, but that will come, I presume.

BrilloPad
18th December 2008, 09:48
Not as long as they get elected. Well, Brown hasn't been elected to high office, but that will come, I presume.

I reckon a Feb election : before the economy gets REALLY bad.

OwlHoot
18th December 2008, 13:26
How about this theory, which takes into account the bit about The Civil Service payroll being suspended.

The Civil Service, or at least large chunks of them (and NHS maybe?) are all given jobs as contractors. Thus the real purpose of IR35 is revealed. Haven't you always wondered about that Friday to Monday bit? It would certainly apply in this case.

This would allow the transfer of the long term Civil Service pension liability elsewhere, or at least freeze its growth.

Wanna take bets on Accenture becoming the largest umbrella company in the UK? :)

As a final bit of poetic justice, Dawn Primarolo will realize that they used her as a pawn, knowing her hatred of contractors, to implement IR35 when all along the intended victims were her precious Civil Service and NHS.

Yes that could be it!

Oh boy, no wonder there are D notices flying around like confetti (if the mole is to be believed) :laugh