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Cuba, have we really done any better than them?

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    Cuba, have we really done any better than them?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7795388.stm


    Keeping Cuba on the economic road

    Geovani Perez's 1959 Buick convertible
    Running on ingenuity: Classic cars are still common on Havana's streets

    By Michael Voss
    BBC News, Havana

    In many ways, this communist island in the Caribbean has managed to survive despite the odds.

    Since the revolution which climaxed on 1 January 1959, Cuba has seen the attempted Bay of Pigs invasion, repeated assassination attempts against Fidel Castro, the collapse of its main benefactor the Soviet Union, and a decades-long US trade embargo.

    One of the effects of the embargo is that the streets of the Cuban capital, Havana, are still filled with many of the same old American cars that were here when Fidel Castro came to power 50 years ago.

    Geovani Perez drives a red and cream 1959 Buick convertible. It was built the year that Fidel Castro came to power. Like much of the Cuban economy, it's still running - if only just.


    Javier Perez
    They are paying more attention now to small farmers. We were ignored in the past, now we have access to tools and fertilizers
    Javier Perez
    Farmer

    After years of economic hardship, Cubans have become masters of improvisation.

    Geovani's Buick no longer has its original engine. During the fuel shortages its gas-guzzling V8 was replaced by a home-made mix of a Japanese diesel engine and an old Soviet gearbox.

    "It's really hard to get parts here," he told me, "We have to machine tool a lot of parts ourselves or make them by hand."

    He would rather have a new car, but he couldn't even if he could afford one. The only cars that Cubans are legally allowed to buy or sell are those built before the revolution.

    It's the same with housing. Most Cubans have title to their homes and can pass them on to their children but there is no open market to buy or sell land or property.

    Bonuses

    One of the goals of Fidel Castro's revolution was to create an egalitarian society. Private enterprise was banned and everyone from doctors to factory workers was paid the same.

    Today Cuba has one of the most centrally controlled, state-run economies left in the world. It is inefficient and the average salary is barely $25 (£17) a month.

    Since taking over from his ailing brother - temporarily in 2006 and officially from February 2008 - Raul Castro has initiated some modest but symbolic reforms.

    In a keynote speech to the National Assembly earlier this year, he denounced the concept of egalitarianism.

    Ploughing the land in Cuba
    Small economic reforms have not been mirrored in the political sphere

    "Socialism means... equality of rights and opportunities, not salaries. Equality does not mean egalitarianism," he said.

    President Castro has ordered that workers should receive bonuses based on productivity. He has also started to offer unproductive state-owned land to private farmers.

    Drive out of the capital and one of the most striking aspects of the countryside is how much land has gone to weed.

    Cuba should be self-sufficient in food but instead spends $2bn (£1.4bn) a year on imports.

    It is the small private sector which produces most of the food - farmers like Javier Perez who has a smallholding on the outskirts of Havana.

    Mr Perez has done well in recent years. Once he has met his state quota of fruit and vegetables he sells the rest of his bananas, mangos and guava at a farmers' market in the capital.


    We need dialogue and the right to argue for or against things. It's the only way of saving the revolution
    Felix Sautie

    The farm has been in his family for several generations, although part of it was appropriated after the revolution. Now it has been returned and Mr Perez is busy with his pair of oxen, ploughing one of the fields before planting more bananas.

    "The land had been lying idle for ages so I asked if I could have it back," he explained.

    "They are paying more attention now to small farmers. We were ignored in the past, now we have access to tools and fertilizers."

    Politically, though, there are no signs of reform. Cuba remains a one-party state and opposition groups are banned. A few critical voices within the communist party are tolerated.

    Felix Sautie is a devout Catholic and has been a Marxist since before the revolution. Now he has put his name to a document entitled "Cuba needs a democratic and participatory system".

    "We are going through a very difficult period. You can't keep disqualifying people because they hold a different opinion. We need dialogue and the right to argue for or against things. It's the only way of saving the revolution," he says.

    Sharing

    Alongside the old American cars, the roads here are also full of old Russian Ladas.

    Drive past any school and the children's uniforms are another reminder of the Soviet era. Primary school children wear red and white, with a red neck scarf. Just like their former Soviet counterparts were, this age group are called the Pioneers.

    Education and health are both known here as "triumphs of the revolution".


    CUBA: KEY FACTS
    Graphic showing Cuba's literacy rate

    Key facts and figures in detail

    Education is free right the way through to university and post-graduate level and Cuba boasts one of the highest literacy rates in the world.

    The health statistics are equally impressive. All the key indicators from infant mortality to life expectancy are among the best in the Americas. Its doctor to patient ratio is one of the highest in the world.

    Health care has now become a major export. Cuba sends tens of thousands of doctors and health workers to some of the poorest parts of Latin America and Africa.

    Rolando Gonzalez is director of International Co-operation at Cuba's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    "From the earliest days of the revolution, one of our objectives was to let other countries in the third world share in our achievements.

    "They are resources which we need too, but we share them with those who have nothing. We've got 70,000 doctors, there are only 50,000 for the whole of Africa."

    The largest contingent of medical workers is in Venezuela, which President Hugo Chavez pays for in oil.

    It is one of the reasons why Cuba can afford to import the fuel which keeps its classic old cars running on the roads.
    I've seen much of the rest of the world. It is brutal and cruel and dark, Rome is the light.

    #2
    I know next to nothing about Cuba...but the fact that so many of them risk their lives trying to get to the USA must say something about the place?
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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      #3
      Quite.
      "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
      - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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        #4
        My concern is how reliable the statistics are for health-care and education in a society that doesn't have a free press.

        If the Cubans are dying like flies and sanitation in hospitals is poor, how are we ever going to know? How do we know those westerners who go there are seeing the reality and not the special hospitals reserved for western tourists?
        When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice - Ayn Rand, Atlas.

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          #5
          Originally posted by PM-Junkie View Post
          I know next to nothing about Cuba...but the fact that so many of them risk their lives trying to get to the USA must say something about the place?
          Lack of free press in Cuba means that they believe all the stories about how good it is there living the american dream.
          Of course when they do get there they find their cousins "palatial house" is in fact a shack under a freeway flyover
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            #6
            Originally posted by Spacecadet View Post
            Lack of free press in Cuba means that they believe all the stories about how good it is there living the american dream.
            Of course when they do get there they find their cousins "palatial house" is in fact a shack under a freeway flyover
            They also get the freedom of working 12 hours a day at minimum wage and the freedom of risking your life daily through a high-crime society. Nevertheless freedom comes with a price.
            I've seen much of the rest of the world. It is brutal and cruel and dark, Rome is the light.

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              #7
              They patented a meningitis-B vaccine and continue to invest, seeing as the rest of the world is in a state of financial meltdown I think Cuba must be feeling pretty smug seeing as they don't rely on capitalist pigs.

              It was said on another thread ‘if you’re going to be poor you might as well be somewhere that has nice weather’.
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                #8
                Originally posted by gingerjedi View Post
                It was said on another thread ‘if you’re going to be poor you might as well be somewhere that has nice weather’.

                Indeed. If I'm ever on the verge of becoming homeless, I'll make sure my last few quid buys a ticket to mainland europe and find a nice cardboard box in the south of spain where it's warm.

                Even better if I scrape enough for a cheap flight to Tenerife. Warm all year round.
                Last edited by PAH; 31 December 2008, 12:42.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sol4ever
                  The education and health care system is world class and of course 100% free.


                  Not a very good education if they don't realise they need to overthrow communist dictatorship if they want to have a chance ot decent life.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sol4ever
                    The education and health care system is world class and of course 100% free.

                    Regarding the post about tourists only being shown what the government wants them to see is completely untrue. Tourists can travel wherever they wish and with a very low risk of crime.
                    But without a free, independant press and free speech to protect those who wish to voice their concerns how can we believe it. I'm not going to believe you because I have no way of ensuring you are independant, but I might believe The Times, The Guardian, The Independant, The Telegraph, The Washington Post and The New York Times if there journalists were allowed free reign over the island.

                    If Cuba is as good as its apologists claim to be, then why doesn't it have a free press to trumpet its triumphs all over the world? No one could then accuse it of only showing what it wants and hiding the rest then, and if there is genuinely nothing to hide, why not allow free press and opposition parties?
                    When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice - Ayn Rand, Atlas.

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