Ken Clarke made a good speech today

[stackpole]

At last I heard someone telling it like you'd hear it on this board. There is no higher praise.

It was miles better than all that meaningless b*llocks like "modernise or die", "caring conservatism" and "we must fundamentally change". Eh?

But Ken's position on Europe is duff...

[MarillionFan]

Ken

But will he get through the votes by the MPS before going to the party members.

He's been the best candidate for the last three (except maybe Hague who was in too early) and they never vote for him.

Its a bit like Threaded running to be leader of the board. The people he tells us he talks to each day say they like him (according to Threaded) but we the people who matter all think he's a c-unt.

[Lucifer Box]

That is it in a nutshell. The party members who are mainly shire based over 65 year old retired colonels and WI ladies will vote for whoever is the "not Ken Clarke" guy, which is why IDS got the job.

[stackpole]

That is it in a nutshell. The party members who are mainly shire based over 65 year old retired colonels and WI ladies will vote for whoever is the "not Ken Clarke" guy, which is why IDS got the job.

Well, I'm none of those things (except I live in a "shire"), and until now I would never have voted for him because he is a Europe integrationalist. That affects all other aspects of policy, so it is pretty fundamental.

But now that the Euro and the EU constitution are being shown up for the crocks of sh1te that they are, will it be so much of a problem?