Are Labour core voters selfish?

[Doggy Styles]

Some people will always vote Labour. Some of these are the luvvies with a utopian view of socialism.

But the majority seem to be those who put perpetuation of their personal situation - those in the public sector, those on benefits - before the need to run the nation's economy properly.

Isn't that just as selfish as Tories are accused of being?

[Mich the Tester]

Some people will always vote Labour. Some of these are the luvvies with a utopian view of socialism.

But the majority seem to be those who put perpetuation of their personal situation - those in the public sector, those on benefits - before the need to run the nation's economy properly.

Isn't that just as selfish as Tories are accused of being?

Even more so. I’ve always suggested to socialists that if they feel strongly about redistribution and state power they should voluntarily hand 50% of their income to poor people and the state. Given that there are lots of socialists in all social classes, surely the poor, and indeed state finances would have little to worry about if we scrapped compulsory taxes altogether.

Unfortunately they tend to protest that evil people like me would then refuse to contribute. I tell them that I actually give quite generously (probably more generously than many lefties) to charities helping the less fortunate, but that gets nowhere with them.

Socialism is nationalised embezzlement. It’s the use of the state’s power to coerce individuals into participating in economic activities that they may find immoral or irresponsible and it undermines the free will of the individual who wishes to act in a moral fashion to help his fellow human. Only an act of free will can be truly moral.

[PM-Junkie]

The average labour voter knows next to nothing about economics (which is something they have in common with many participants of this forum), so they will never understand that labour's core economic and political tendencies will never work.

The fact is that conservative governments typically run out of support, labour governments run out or money. I have no time for either of them, but the tories at least do less long term economic damage (and I am not saying they don't do any), and so are the lesser of two evils. Just.

[DodgyAgent]

Some people will always vote Labour. Some of these are the luvvies with a utopian view of socialism.

But the majority seem to be those who put perpetuation of their personal situation - those in the public sector, those on benefits - before the need to run the nation's economy properly.

Isn't that just as selfish as Tories are accused of being?

Middle class people who vote labour do so either because they have a chip on their shoulder that stops them voting Tory, or they wear it as a badge to show they "care" about the poor.
In reality socialism has done nothing but make poor people even poorer and enrich the powerful (just look how they toady up to the rich). Socialist institutions do not work and there is therefore no morality behind voting for labour.
At least those people who are state dependent and do work in the public sector are voting consistently and honestly. The rest do not.

[DimPrawn]

Not only Labour voters but Labour MP's!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7896783.stm

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has said she will "answer any questions" Parliament's sleaze watchdog has about £116,000 in "second home" expenses.

Ms Smith named her sister's London home as her main residence and her family home in Redditch as her "second home".

She insists she has done nothing wrong and that she followed the rules.

But Standards Commissioner John Lyon has asked her to explain claims by her London neighbours she spends as little as two nights a week at that address.

Mr Lyon has previously turned down two requests to investigate Ms Smith over her decision to designate her sister's house - where she stays when she is in London - as her main home.

The decision has enabled her to claim at least £116,000 in second home allowances on her constituency home in Redditch, Worcestershire, since becoming an MP.



Oink oink! Snouts in trough!

Lets eradicate poverty, oink oink!

[Doggy Styles]

It seems that these are who have been deciding what would happen to the nation since 1997:

Doleys
Control freaks
Public sector non-job workers
Anti-Tories
Labour Luvvies
Single mothers
Champagne socialists
Chip-on-shoulder socialists
Gullible guilt-relievers
Immigrants
'My-dad-always-voted-Labour-and-so-will-I'

I suppose most think they got what they wished for.
Except Noel Gallagher, who got a bit cross.

[SantaClaus]

Not only Labour voters but Labour MP's!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7896783.stm

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has said she will "answer any questions" Parliament's sleaze watchdog has about £116,000 in "second home" expenses.

Ms Smith named her sister's London home as her main residence and her family home in Redditch as her "second home".

She insists she has done nothing wrong and that she followed the rules.

But Standards Commissioner John Lyon has asked her to explain claims by her London neighbours she spends as little as two nights a week at that address.

Mr Lyon has previously turned down two requests to investigate Ms Smith over her decision to designate her sister's house - where she stays when she is in London - as her main home.

The decision has enabled her to claim at least £116,000 in second home allowances on her constituency home in Redditch, Worcestershire, since becoming an MP.



Oink oink! Snouts in trough!

Lets eradicate poverty, oink oink!

I had to laugh when I heard her neighbours reported that she wasnt home for Christmas.

Grass on your MP neighbour Gives a whole new meaning to Big Brother!

[Waldorf]

Every Labour government has left office with the country bust - no different with this one, I just wish they would leave office now!

[dinker]

We all know our political system is based on theft, Labour voters steal from Conservative voters only it`s called tax.

[Cyberman]

I don't think that they are selfish at all....... just thick !!