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    Caning pupils 'can be effective behaviour control'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...r-control.html

    Caning pupils 'can be effective behaviour control'
    Behaviour among children has got worse since the cane was abolished, according to parents.

    Government research showed some mothers and fathers believed corporal punishment was an "effective method of control" when they were at school.

    They said the decision to outlaw physical chastisement contributed to a decline in discipline.

    The comments - in a study backed by the Department for Children, Schools and Families - come just months after a fifth of teachers called for the cane to be reintroduced to restore order in the classroom.

    This week, a report by Ofsted suggested traditional discipline methods such as suspending hundreds of troublemakers at a time and banning children with shaven heads and designer trainers was a good deterrent.

    Corporal punishment, including the use of the cane and ruler, was abolished in state schools in 1987 and 1998 in the fee-paying sector.

    In the latest study, the Department for Children, Schools and Families held in-depth interviews with 48 adults to gauge their perception of behaviour among young people.

    When asked to describe what they felt was behind a decline in discipline, they made a series of observations.

    This included the "increasing demands on teachers - paper work, planning etc - leaving them less effective to teach and discipline effectively".

    The group, which included 32 parents, also cited the "suitability of some teachers to the profession", suggesting that some lacked an ability to "instil respect and good behaviour amongst teenage pupils".

    They added that "the removal of corporal punishment in schools, which many felt had been an effective method of control in their day", also affected discipline standards.

    Margaret Morrissey, from the campaign group Parents Outloud, said: "When it was used as a threat, rather than being used to actually hit a child, corporal punishment was often an effective deterrent. It was certainly abused in some schools and it could become something of a badge of honour for those that were hit, but the threat could be effective.

    "I am just not convinced that in the present climate there is a possibility it can come back. Can you imagine the number of compensation claims it would lead to?

    "I really do believe that the problem for the deteriorating behaviour is the political correctness of the last 10 years that has told children to stand up and complain the moment someone tries to tell them off."

    In the study, parents also blamed the fact that "children and young people [were] becoming more vocal and demanding and at the same time less afraid of authority".

    Increasing pressure on children to be academically successful was also cited.

    A survey of more than 6,000 teachers last year found more than a fifth believed the cane should be brought back.

    One supply teacher told researchers: "Children's behaviour is now absolutely outrageous in the majority of schools. I am a supply teacher, so I see very many schools and there are no sanctions. There are too many anger management people and their ilk who give children the idea that it is their right to flounce out of lessons for time out because they have problems with their temper. They should be caned instead."

    But John Dunford, of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: "Thankfully, corporal punishment is no longer on the agenda, except in the most uncivilised countries. I am sure that this barbaric punishment has disappeared forever."

    #2
    Bring back the cane! A little bit of pain never hurt anyone...
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      #3
      Abosolute rubbish.

      Corporal punishment shows that the way to resolve a problem is through violence.

      This then becomes self perpetuating because the parent says "Well it didn't do me any harm".

      Violence against children is child abuse, even when you wrap it up as "I do it because I care".l
      Originally posted by cailin maith
      Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar??

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        #4
        Originally posted by FSM with Cheddar View Post
        Abosolute rubbish.

        Corporal punishment shows that the way to resolve a problem is through violence.

        This then becomes self perpetuating because the parent says "Well it didn't do me any harm".

        Violence against children is child abuse, even when you wrap it up as "I do it because I care".l
        "Violence against children" is wrong

        "Violence against Adults by children" is okay because we can take it.

        Tulip
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          #5
          Originally posted by wc2 View Post
          "Violence against Adults by children" is okay because we can take it.

          Tulip
          I'm not defending the behaviour of some of the children described.

          All violence is wrong.

          If a child is violent against anyone, it should be dealt with severely, but in a manor that results in the correcting of the behaviour.
          Originally posted by cailin maith
          Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar??

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            #6
            I feel VERY strongly about this.
            I had enough of it when I was a kid, all it gave me was a sense of injustice.

            Hitting children is wrong
            I'm sorry, but I'll make no apologies for this

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              #7
              We are primates, it is normal behaviour for adult primates to discipline their offspring.

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                #8
                Originally posted by FSM with Cheddar View Post
                If a child is violent against anyone, it should be dealt with severely, but in a manor that results in the correcting of the behaviour.
                And that would be........

                Only asking

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                  #9
                  One of the reasons many teachers supported the end of corporal punishment is that children are getting bigger and more assertive; once they’re about 13, boys are likely and often quite able to fight back, as I remember one or two doing at my school, much to the shock (and pain) of the teachers involved. Just imagine the liabilities of the school when either party is seriously injured.

                  I also don't believe that modern kids are any worse than at any time in the past. Even in Plato's time, people are recorded to have moaned about 'the youth of today'. I'm not bothered by parents and perhaps even a local bobby administering a clip around the ear, but other than that it's perhaps time for adults to get a sense of perspective and do some self examination as to how they're leading children instead of resorting to primitive means like whacking them with a cane.
                  And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                    #10
                    Education standards are slipping : how else do we stop the decline?

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