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**DaveB** · 9 March 2009, 12:27

But they will probably be inundated with desperate ex-permies with mortgages to pay.

**Svalbaard** · 9 March 2009, 13:27

I'm guessing your point is that they are asking a lot, for not a lot?

Maybe. But based on approx 22 working days a month it's still around £2K takehome a month which is better than a kick in the teeth in the current climate.

No different really to a middle management role at many blue chips with the benefits of being able to claim full mileage allowance and without the myriad of "permie" hoops to jump through.

Never heard of NES IT though.

**expat** · 9 March 2009, 15:43

Originally posted by Svalbaard View Post

I'm guessing your point is that they are asking a lot, for not a lot?

Maybe. But based on approx 22 working days a month it's still around £2K takehome a month which is better than a kick in the teeth in the current climate.

No different really to a middle management role at many blue chips with the benefits of being able to claim full mileage allowance and without the myriad of "permie" hoops to jump through.

Never heard of NES IT though.

That's the "optimistic" calculation. You can "claim full mileage allowance" against your income, not against the client/employer. The actual travel is likely to be higher than a permie because most of us would not relocate for a contract. And 22 working days a month would be awfully hard to maintain over the year. Add the usual holiday, public holidays, sick time, bench time...

My number-cruncher says take-home £928.71 per month.

£125/day,
average 20 days/month,
work 11 months (so 1 month bench/year),
allow another 20 days for public holidays, Christmas closure etc.
Expenses £1000/month.
PAYE.

So invoice £25000/year, expenses £11000/year, gross salary £12367/year, net salary £11144.49/year, = £928.71/month.

Yes, it's better than a kick in the teeth.

**Board Game Geek** · 9 March 2009, 15:49

Yes, it's better than a kick in the teeth.

Indeed, in this climate it's better to have something than nothing, and £928 a month is better than £60pw JSA.

Such is our industry and the climate we are in.

The golden days are gone...

**expat** · 9 March 2009, 15:54

Originally posted by expat View Post

Yes, it's better than a kick in the teeth.

And it's better than minimum wage. Almost £9 per week better. OTOH I might just check my local Domino's: they pay up to £8.50 an hour, this job (for a contractor who is not local) comes to less than £6 an hour). American Beauty?

**the_duderama** · 9 March 2009, 15:59

Originally posted by expat View Post

My number-cruncher says take-home £928.71 per month.

I was earning more than that 10 years ago in a call centre with no meaningfull qualifications, telling people the reason why they're mobile had been cut off was becuase they hadn't paid their bill. And to think i saw mayself as a project manager in my later years - oh well!

**pmeswani** · 9 March 2009, 16:19

Originally posted by TonyEnglish View Post

http://www.jobserve.com/W05FBA51E613FC9BA.jsjob

So they don't want much for their 15 quid an hour!

Does it beat http://www.jobserve.com/W5CCA7D56A8B8A131.jsjob?

A Senior software tester is required by this organisation to undertake the testing of a browser based application to be hosted on their Website.

The role will require drawing up test plans from requirement documents, preparing and running test scripts, documenting test results and maintaining a fault log for the applications under development using Bugzilla. In addition it will arranging and helping facilitate User Acceptance Testing (UAT) sessions with clients and obtaining a signed acceptance from them that UAT has been completed to their satisfaction. The suitable candidate will have extensive testing experience in Microsoft products, including C#.NET, ASP.NET (2.0) and SQL Server2005 and be ISEB Certified, to at least intermediate level. Additionally they will be familiar with automated testing techniques/products and have solid skills in performance and security testing. All applicants must have previous public sector experience.

Location Kent
Country England
Start Date ASAP
Duration 3 months +
Rate £160-£200/Day
Employment Business MECS Europe
Contact Matthew Cross
Telephone 0207 987 1001
Fax 0207 987 2002
Email [email protected]
Reference JSSO/TE/MC1
Posted Date 09/03/2009 11:13:01

**Mich the Tester** · 9 March 2009, 16:23

Originally posted by pmeswani View Post

Does it beat http://www.jobserve.com/W5CCA7D56A8B8A131.jsjob?

A Senior software tester is required by this organisation to undertake the testing of a browser based application to be hosted on their Website.

The role will require drawing up test plans from requirement documents, preparing and running test scripts, documenting test results and maintaining a fault log for the applications under development using Bugzilla. In addition it will arranging and helping facilitate User Acceptance Testing (UAT) sessions with clients and obtaining a signed acceptance from them that UAT has been completed to their satisfaction. The suitable candidate will have extensive testing experience in Microsoft products, including C#.NET, ASP.NET (2.0) and SQL Server2005 and be ISEB Certified, to at least intermediate level. Additionally they will be familiar with automated testing techniques/products and have solid skills in performance and security testing. All applicants must have previous public sector experience.

Location Kent
Country England
Start Date ASAP
Duration 3 months +
Rate £160-£200/Day
Employment Business MECS Europe
Contact Matthew Cross
Telephone 0207 987 1001
Fax 0207 987 2002
Email [email protected]
Reference JSSO/TE/MC1
Posted Date 09/03/2009 11:13:01

F off.

**pmeswani** · 9 March 2009, 16:31

Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post

F off.

Sorry Mich... wasn't trying to take the p*ss out of you. Seriously I was trying to see which is the worst rate advertised for a role, based on requirements.

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