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bobhope
18th March 2009, 08:13
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The kids are getting old enough to use the PC at home, so I thought I'd set up some access restrictions.

Looked through help. "Great, Vista has parental controls built-in," I thought.

But they're useless. All you can do is set up the time of day that they can access (in 1 hour granularity) e.g. 4-5pm, etc. Very nice graphical interface for that, but not what 90% of parents probably need/want.

There's no option to configure, e.g. kid can use the PC for 45 minutes each day or 3 hours a week, etc. doesn't really matter when. WHICH IS WHAT MOST PARENTS WANT.

Ahhhhhhhh.

I googled and there are loads of forums with parents moaning about exactly this issue.


Why go to all the trouble of specifying and implementing a feature, and then missing the most important part?



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PM-Junkie
18th March 2009, 08:20
I think the simplest answer for you is that vista is tulip because, well, it's a Microsoft product. If you want something that works from a company that actually listens to its customers, probably best to avoid microsoft ;)

Pogle
18th March 2009, 08:49
My 8 year -old uses the PC when ever she wants, the only parental control I use is me or Mr P. The computer is in the living room and we can see what she's up to - usually creating a invitation or PP presentation.
She can Google and does when she wants to look something up or get a picture or something.

In the *cough* years I've been using a PC I have never come across anything unsavoury by accident - or on purpose for that matter!

My daughter knows not to sign up for anything unless she speaks to me first and not to give out any personal details.

d000hg
18th March 2009, 09:00
I think the simplest answer for you is that vista is tulip because, well, it's a Microsoft product. If you want something that works from a company that actually listens to its customers, probably best to avoid microsoft ;)That's the biggest load of crap I ever heard, generalising everything from a humongous corporation as the same. SQLServer is a great DB, Visual Studio is the best development environment around, and .NET is a wonderful set of technologies... C# in particular is a great language.

I guess if all you do is type type documents and email people all day you might have a different view, but it's moronic to say all of the 100s of apps they release are crap just because they're from MS.

London75
18th March 2009, 09:05
That's the biggest load of crap I ever heard, generalising everything from a humongous corporation as the same. SQLServer is a great DB, Visual Studio is the best development environment around, and .NET is a wonderful set of technologies... C# in particular is a great language.

I guess if all you do is type type documents and email people all day you might have a different view, but it's moronic to say all of the 100s of apps they release are crap just because they're from MS.

...and even then, Word is one of the best multi purpose document editors there is and Outlook is a very capable email application.

Vista does a little bit of everything out of the box, if it did too much you'd flippin sue it. The same people moaning are the reason why many features are incomplete. Microsoft can't produce full net nany features or the net nanny software makers will sue them.

Pickle2
18th March 2009, 09:06
<rant>

I googled and there are loads of forums with parents moaning about exactly this issue.



Sounds like an idea for a plan B then. Get cracking.

oracleslave
18th March 2009, 09:07
That's the biggest load of crap I ever heard, generalising everything from a humongous corporation as the same. SQLServer is a great DB, Visual Studio is the best development environment around, and .NET is a wonderful set of technologies... C# in particular is a great language.

I guess if all you do is type type documents and email people all day you might have a different view, but it's moronic to say all of the 100s of apps they release are crap just because they're from MS.

WHS!

Ruprect
18th March 2009, 09:09
Visual Studio is the best development environment around

You need to get out more.

Doggy Styles
18th March 2009, 09:20
...and even then, Word is one of the best multi purpose document editors there is and Outlook is a very capable email application.I agree. I have to use MS Office a lot. Try using Adobe products (and their non-support for years-old bugs). :mad

Whether or not you think Vista is a turkey (and I do) it doesn't mean everything else from MS is.

lightng
18th March 2009, 09:53
Why not get a proper OS like linux. The latest Fedora is great.

[Lightng ducks and waits for incoming]

Doggy Styles
18th March 2009, 10:14
Why not get a proper OS like linux. The latest Fedora is great.

[Lightng ducks and waits for incoming]:laugh Here it comes then...

In my case, of my past 20 gigs, no client has used it, or any other flavour of unix, for front office computing. That's partly why not.

Also, I rather like XP :D

Dark Black
18th March 2009, 10:30
Visual Studio is the best development environment around, and .NET is a wonderful set of technologies... C# in particular is a great language.

Complete tulip... Vis Studio whas great before the .NET version - now it's just bloated. :bang:

As for .NET - biggest pile of tulip to come from MS since whichever retards implemented COM... :mad

expat
18th March 2009, 11:15
My 8 year -old uses the PC when ever she wants, the only parental control I use is me or Mr P. The computer is in the living room and we can see what she's up to - usually creating a invitation or PP presentation.
She can Google and does when she wants to look something up or get a picture or something.

In the *cough* years I've been using a PC I have never come across anything unsavoury by accident - or on purpose for that matter!

My daughter knows not to sign up for anything unless she speaks to me first and not to give out any personal details.Bravo. Parental controls should be exercised by parents. And young children should use the PC only in a family environment, i.e. not in their bedroom. Same with TV. If you give them everything in their room, not only will they possibly do things that you don't want, they will not learn to use it responsibly. Worse, by having all the nice things in their private space and not having to share any of it, they risk growing up unable to live with other people (and the compromises that requires) and not even wanting to.

Which reminds me, I should shut the lid of this thing.

lightng
18th March 2009, 11:25
Complete tulip... Vis Studio whas great before the .NET version - now it's just bloated. :bang:


It is bloated if you're a pic chip developer otherwise its great. Vis Studio was sh1te pre .NET (IMO of course).

bobhope
18th March 2009, 11:36
Actually, I did find a good feature - you can spy on what the other half is doing / surfing.

Not that I would do that of course.

d000hg
18th March 2009, 11:53
Complete tulip... Vis Studio whas great before the .NET version - now it's just bloated. :bang:

As for .NET - biggest pile of tulip to come from MS since whichever retards implemented COM... :madDo you mean VS was better before it was _written_ in .NET, or before it _supported_ it?
Anyway I can't see what's bad with .NET. They took Java and fixed the crap things that were in it, the framework is pretty good and ASP.net seems at least as nice as JSP.

d000hg
18th March 2009, 11:54
You need to get out more.Suggest alternatives then... always happy to find something better.

d000hg
18th March 2009, 11:56
:laugh Here it comes then...

In my case, of my past 20 gigs, no client has used it, or any other flavour of unix, for front office computing. That's partly why not.

Also, I rather like XP :DThe contract I got recently, everyone works remotely. I was amazed to find out I am literally the only developer (out of about 10) to develop on Windows. They all use Macs or Linux, and this is not a company policy but some weird coincidence... I had to install cygwin to get the build process to work!

Sysman
18th March 2009, 13:20
...and even then, Word is one of the best multi purpose document editors there is and Outlook is a very capable email application.

You need to get out more. Really.

Sysman
18th March 2009, 13:24
The contract I got recently, everyone works remotely. I was amazed to find out I am literally the only developer (out of about 10) to develop on Windows. They all use Macs or Linux, and this is not a company policy but some weird coincidence... I had to install cygwin to get the build process to work!

That coincides with a comment I picked up recently, namely that the smart folks are developing on OS X and/or Linux.

darmstadt
18th March 2009, 13:55
Here I'm using Debian 5 (lenny) as my main workstation and sometimes at home too but there are some things which require Windows so have a VMWare and Sun xVM with Windows images and a second hard drive with Windows on (but primarily used in the hotel.)

Frogstomp
18th March 2009, 13:58
Why go to all the trouble of specifying and implementing a feature, and then missing the most important part?

Maybe to give other companies a chance to produce a product? After all, they probably can't be arsed with another anti-competitiveness case..

Put features in vs leave features out.. looks like either way they can't win! :rolleyes: