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suityou01
18th March 2009, 09:24
'Tractor mate of mine is to be benched at the end of this month. Had a good run at a local council, so can't complain too loudly.

Rang him last night, and he was doing handover work to some web developers just flown in from India. 75% cheaper apparently. True story.

I'd say he has cause to complain now methinks. Imagine if this was happening at the coal face, literally.

BrilloPad
18th March 2009, 09:27
Why does he not go and see his MP?

Ruprect
18th March 2009, 09:36
Why does he not go and see his MP?

:spel the press

BoredBloke
18th March 2009, 10:41
Exactly the same is happening to me. I've to train my replacement and I leave on Friday. All of my stuff is held in an Access database I threw together and it produces everyhing that I was/have been required to do over the past 18 months with this company. My Indian based replacement has no Excel or Access experience and I don't know what he is supposed to do when the VBA that this lot runs on hits an error. But by then it won't be my problem.

Pretty much al of the contractors in our building have been given their marching orders and are leaving this Friday. The building looks like Bangalore

PM-Junkie
18th March 2009, 10:53
So the "restricting non-EU foreign workers immigration policy" is really working well then? :rollin::rollin:

lightng
18th March 2009, 10:58
Pretty much al of the contractors in our building have been given their marching orders and are leaving this Friday. The building looks like Bangalore

"The same" lol. Only for me its next Friday.

Durbs
18th March 2009, 11:25
Pretty much al of the contractors in our building have been given their marching orders and are leaving this Friday. The building looks like Bangalore

Same here, few weeks left, i can see a pattern emerging. If i didnt know any better i'd say our government isn't looking after us, but surely not?

suityou01
18th March 2009, 11:36
Same here, few weeks left, i can see a pattern emerging. If i didnt know any better i'd say our government isn't looking after us, but surely not?

So there aren't enough gigs to go around. Then we import cheap labour. so there's even less gigs to go around.


:spank:

Plenty of work to go around to mop up all the mess afterwards, but can we wait that long?

d000hg
18th March 2009, 11:48
Exactly the same is happening to me. I've to train my replacement and I leave on Friday. All of my stuff is held in an Access database I threw together and it produces everyhing that I was/have been required to do over the past 18 months with this company. My Indian based replacement has no Excel or Access experience and I don't know what he is supposed to do when the VBA that this lot runs on hits an error. But by then it won't be my problem.I never understand this, isn't the whole point that Indian cheapness allows you to get people with decent skills for a cheaper price? Or at least, experience in the relevant areas if not actual 'skill'.

Svalbaard
18th March 2009, 12:10
Exactly the same is happening to me. I've to train my replacement and I leave on Friday. All of my stuff is held in an Access database I threw together and it produces everyhing that I was/have been required to do over the past 18 months with this company. My Indian based replacement has no Excel or Access experience and I don't know what he is supposed to do when the VBA that this lot runs on hits an error. But by then it won't be my problem.

Pretty much al of the contractors in our building have been given their marching orders and are leaving this Friday. The building looks like Bangalore

I feel for you, and all the other that are experiencing this.

My experience of working with 4 major Indian systems integrators is that while they are cheaper, and whilst they are technically very good and polite - they simply have no capacity for management, or the owning and resolving of their own problems, or the constitution to really step up to the plate and deliver when the sh*t really hits the fan. Which it does - often - especially if ***** are involved.

I once had an Indian working for me in a SAP functional support role who sat on a key technical issue for two days before escalating it because he "didn't want to disturb me". I only became aware of it when the programme at large started quoting SLAs to me when there was no response from aforementioned Indian when the issue was raised.

I have many other stories of corners that I have seen cut by the Indian IT workforce, the implications of which would make the professional SAP community shudder.

But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.

denver2k
18th March 2009, 12:16
Its the same story where i am, but fortunately i havnt been replaced so far :) (dont know how long i can hang around)

But, apparently, Govt's tough immigration rules are difficult to apply on these incoming people because most of them are employee of indian consultancy companies, which is doing business with UK based firms.

And these are "Cost effective" measures to maintain "competitiveness", and at this point of time it looks like Govt cant stop them as large number of job providers in this country are Foreigners (US banks, European energy providers etc).

lightng
18th March 2009, 12:19
Same here, few weeks left, i can see a pattern emerging. If i didnt know any better i'd say our government isn't looking after us, but surely not?

There is a definite statue / pigeon scenario going on.

sasguru
18th March 2009, 12:21
Many of you claim that compared with the Indians you are dynamic, resourceful and problem-solving. So why not use your companies to become outsource providers by employing aforementioned Indians for a pittance, then sourcing them here?

suityou01
18th March 2009, 12:22
Many of you claim that compared with the Indians you are dynamic, resourceful and problem-solving. So why not use your companies to become outsource providers by employing aforementioned Indians for a pittance, then sourcing them here?

Don't, its a troll.

sasguru
18th March 2009, 12:25
Don't, its a troll.

It was a serious comment. If you are really businesses and not "disguised employees" then you should be looking for where the market is heading and exploiting it to your benefit, no?

BrilloPad
18th March 2009, 12:47
It was a serious comment. If you are really businesses and not "disguised employees" then you should be looking for where the market is heading and exploiting it to your benefit, no?

Have you done it?

Durbs
18th March 2009, 12:59
But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.

My beef is that our lot seem unable to hit a 16" toilet bowl with a turd.

Trap 2 is now regularly out of service as suddenly the way to use a toilet seems to be curl one and then pile an entire bog roll on top rendering the pan unflushable, then next visitor drops their 'egg' on top of that pile and repeats with another pile of bog roll.

This means when visiting the little boys room for my afternoon constitutional i'm confronted with a towering pile of wet bog roll/stool mix with an outsourcers egg perched jauntily on top. Nice.

God knows how they manage to lay the final one as the tower is 5 foot high by this point. I reckon they visit in 3's and form a human pyramid to lay the final 'fairy' on the top.

Sorry if i put you off your lunch!

Lockhouse
18th March 2009, 13:03
But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.

:laugh

Yep that bears out my experiences as well!

PM-Junkie
18th March 2009, 13:10
Many of you claim that compared with the Indians you are dynamic, resourceful and problem-solving. So why not use your companies to become outsource providers by employing aforementioned Indians for a pittance, then sourcing them here?
Oh I don't know...just little things called "pride" and "integrity". Why would I want to blow a professional reputation that has taken me years to build up, by employing incompetent idiots just because I can make a fast buck?

No thanks - I'll give that one a miss if it's all the same to you.

BoredBloke
18th March 2009, 13:23
I can't understand the logic at the client company at the moment. There is no way on this earth (or any other) that the team they are replacing the current lot with, will even get close to doing the job. I fully expect it to fall flat in say 2 weeks. Perhaps the client company will then decide to do without the config team, but if that was what they wanted to do, then why go down the Indian route.

One of the roles I have to do is to fingerprint all the bespoke sw installed on the servers using a tool called enterprise discovery. There are only a few people in the UK who have done this (as most simply use the updates from HP). The guy who was brought in to show us the ropes is charged out at £1200 per day by HP. An agent was tasked with finding people to do this for the Indian company and was given a budget of £170 per day. I was asked to show an Indian guy how to do it. It took 20 mins - he didn't ask one question. So unless he is very clever....

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 13:35
But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.


"Racism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] People with racist beliefs exhibit stereotype-based prejudices towards individuals and groups of people according to their race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination."

suityou01
18th March 2009, 13:37
But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.


"Racism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] People with racist beliefs exhibit stereotype-based prejudices towards individuals and groups of people according to their race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination."


I wondered how long it would take for some coward to play the race card.:mad

<Popcorn mode="1">

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 13:42
I can't understand the logic at the client company at the moment. There is no way on this earth (or any other) that the team they are replacing the current lot with, will even get close to doing the job. I fully expect it to fall flat in say 2 weeks. Perhaps the client company will then decide to do without the config team, but if that was what they wanted to do, then why go down the Indian route.....

(From Goldfinger)
I don't expect you to work, I expect you to be not required....

PM-Junkie
18th March 2009, 13:46
I can't understand the logic at the client company at the moment. There is no way on this earth (or any other) that the team they are replacing the current lot with, will even get close to doing the job. I fully expect it to fall flat in say 2 weeks. Perhaps the client company will then decide to do without the config team, but if that was what they wanted to do, then why go down the Indian route.

One of the roles I have to do is to fingerprint all the bespoke sw installed on the servers using a tool called enterprise discovery. There are only a few people in the UK who have done this (as most simply use the updates from HP). The guy who was brought in to show us the ropes is charged out at £1200 per day by HP. An agent was tasked with finding people to do this for the Indian company and was given a budget of £170 per day. I was asked to show an Indian guy how to do it. It took 20 mins - he didn't ask one question. So unless he is very clever....
You've never actually met an accountant, have you? ;)

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 13:50
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799681]


I wondered how long it would take for some coward to play the race card.:mad

<Popcorn mode="1">

Thought about not posting but then I realsied that its better if people see what a hypocrite you are.

Suityou01, you make a poll about "Is XXX a troll?" and then you troll yourself.
Perhaps you should make up your mind about who you are.
Racist or not........

Svalbaard
18th March 2009, 13:51
But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.


"Racism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] People with racist beliefs exhibit stereotype-based prejudices towards individuals and groups of people according to their race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination."

Your post would have been worth the time to read had you the intellect to make an actual point rather than an irrelevant cut and paste.

expat
18th March 2009, 13:53
It was a serious comment. If you are really businesses and not "disguised employees" then you should be looking for where the market is heading and exploiting it to your benefit, no?I'm a freelance professional technical worker, not a would-be body-shopping business.

suityou01
18th March 2009, 14:00
[QUOTE=suityou01;799686]

Thought about not posting but then I realsied that its better if people see what a hypocrite you are.

Suityou01, you make a poll about "Is XXX a troll?" and then you troll yourself.
Perhaps you should make up your mind about who you are.
Racist or not........

This is not trolling. This is happening to a good friend of mine. He is going to have his work stream cut because of this. Others too.

Who in their right mind would ever admit to being racist? Therefore the question is flawed as there can only ever be one acceptable answer.

This thread had the potential to skate perilously close to racism, and I truly hope is doesn't. The pertinent issue here is cheap labour being brought in from overseas starving skilled labour over here from work.

Is this something you condone?

Someone somewhere has to pick up the tab. While clientco saves a few bob, the taxpayer has to shell out more in JSA and benefits for the people forced out of work.

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 14:08
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799681]

Your post would have been worth the time to read had you the intellect to make an actual point rather than an irrelevant cut and paste.

The post wasn't for your benefit - it was for everyone else to see how easy it is to be considered a racist.

suityou01
18th March 2009, 14:19
[QUOTE=Svalbaard;799723]

The post wasn't for your benefit - it was for everyone else to see how easy it is to be considered a racist.

Its a service you provide. :eyes

Svalbaard
18th March 2009, 14:23
[QUOTE=Svalbaard;799723]

The post wasn't for your benefit - it was for everyone else to see how easy it is to be considered a racist.

To what purpose?

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 14:26
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799720]
Who in their right mind would ever admit to being racist?

I suppose your view is....Its OK to have racist thoughts but not to admit having them?
At least you recognise the difference. Unfortunately, its based on what you realiie is bad for you (potential loss of opportunities) and not that it is bad for others.



This thread had the potential to skate perilously close to racism, and I truly hope is doesn't.

fair enough. It failed - IMO, the thread crossed the boundary a while back. In your opinion it did not.....From my viewpoint, that makes you out just as racist as the OP - even though it is hidden - as you know thats "what's best".



The pertinent issue here is cheap labour being brought in from overseas starving skilled labour over here from work.
Is this something you condone?

Yes - no problem with it at all.

Svalbaard
18th March 2009, 14:33
[QUOTE=suityou01;799750]
I suppose your view is....Its OK to have racist thoughts but not to admit having them?
At least you recognise the difference. Unfortunately, its based on what you realiie is bad for you (potential loss of opportunities) and not that it is bad for others.


fair enough. It failed - IMO, the thread crossed the boundary a while back. In your opinion it did not.....From my viewpoint, that makes you out just as racist as the OP - even though it is hidden - as you know thats "what's best".


Yes - no problem with it at all.

I believe that it was you sir that played the race card, and I believe that says more about the way you think than it does about the rest of us.

And I believe that from your responses, the way that you think is to type first and engage brain later.

suityou01
18th March 2009, 14:37
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799792]

I believe that it was you sir that played the race card, and I believe that says more about the way you think than it does about the rest of us.

And I believe that from your responses, the way that you think is to type first and engage brain later.

:music:

suityou01
18th March 2009, 14:38
[QUOTE=suityou01;799750]
I suppose your view is....Its OK to have racist thoughts but not to admit having them?
At least you recognise the difference. Unfortunately, its based on what you realiie is bad for you (potential loss of opportunities) and not that it is bad for others.


fair enough. It failed - IMO, the thread crossed the boundary a while back. In your opinion it did not.....From my viewpoint, that makes you out just as racist as the OP - even though it is hidden - as you know thats "what's best".


Yes - no problem with it at all.

I am the OP. Oh dear. Can I suggest a lie down? Or chilled refreshing beverage perhaps. :D

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 14:39
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799767]

To what purpose?

The purpose?
Each time you post, the thread zings to the top and gets seen by more people. I'm sure they "get" it :laugh

BrilloPad
18th March 2009, 14:45
the way that you think is to type first and engage brain later.

In true cuk tradition......

lightng
18th March 2009, 14:46
My beef is that our lot seem unable to hit a 16" toilet bowl with a turd.

Trap 2 is now regularly out of service as suddenly the way to use a toilet seems to be curl one and then pile an entire bog roll on top rendering the pan unflushable, then next visitor drops their 'egg' on top of that pile and repeats with another pile of bog roll.

This means when visiting the little boys room for my afternoon constitutional i'm confronted with a towering pile of wet bog roll/stool mix with an outsourcers egg perched jauntily on top. Nice.

God knows how they manage to lay the final one as the tower is 5 foot high by this point. I reckon they visit in 3's and form a human pyramid to lay the final 'fairy' on the top.

Sorry if i put you off your lunch!

Is this what you call a turd party solution?

suityou01
18th March 2009, 14:55
[QUOTE=Svalbaard;799789]

The purpose?
Each time you post, the thread zings to the top and gets seen by more people. I'm sure they "get" it :laugh

Another troll. More difficult to spot this one. Clever clever. This forum needs an anti-troll. Any volunteers?

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 14:59
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799813]

Another troll. More difficult to spot this one. Clever clever. This forum needs an anti-troll. Any volunteers?

Yep, I've just been outing SUITYOU01 and SVALBAARD as intolerant racist trolls.
Reckon someone else should have a go now

BoredBloke
18th March 2009, 15:56
I thought I was going to accused of racism yesterday on a telecon wth the Indians taking over our work.

Somebody said that they didn't know how I did what I did. I said 'that makes 2 of us. I have an infinite team of monkeys and I know one of them wil come up with the goods eventually.'

What they heard was that I have an Indian team of monkeys - not quite what I was intending to say.

FSM with Cheddar
18th March 2009, 16:03
[QUOTE=suityou01;799846]

Yep, I've just been outing SUITYOU01 and SVALBAARD as intolerant racist trolls.
Reckon someone else should have a go now

All I've seen is comments based on personal experience. Not racisium.

My experience is that they all disappear at lunch time for a couple of hours. From what I understand they all go home and cook lunch because English food is so bland!

Never experienced the toilet issue.

There is definitely a conflict of culture though. They will nod (wobble) their head and confirm they understand what you say. Then after chasing it up a few days later, they will state that they understood what you wanted them to do, but they couldn't do it.

Most of what has been said on this thread is a difference in culture / communication.

sasguru
18th March 2009, 16:04
I'm a freelance professional technical worker, not a would-be body-shopping business.

As a freelance professional worker, in the global economy, you are going to have to compete with the myriad thousands other freelance professional workers.
I prefer an easier life with more money :tongue

Svalbaard
18th March 2009, 16:25
[QUOTE=suityou01;799846]

Yep, I've just been outing SUITYOU01 and SVALBAARD as intolerant racist trolls.
Reckon someone else should have a go now

:spel I'm a thicko and have failed miserably to out as I'm not capable of putting together a cohesive argument.

swamp
18th March 2009, 16:36
I thought I was going to accused of racism yesterday on a telecon wth the Indians taking over our work.

Somebody said that they didn't know how I did what I did. I said 'that makes 2 of us. I have an infinite team of monkeys and I know one of them wil come up with the goods eventually.'

What they heard was that I have an Indian team of monkeys - not quite what I was intending to say.

Is it safe to use the word 'monkey' when describing Indian developers? 'Code monkey' is in general parlance in this country, also 'shaved ape' (to describe someone particularly useless).

expat
18th March 2009, 16:50
As a freelance professional worker, in the global economy, you are going to have to compete with the myriad thousands other freelance professional workers.
I prefer an easier life with more money :tongueThen I refer you to PM-Junkie, who made the effort to express the same thought more eloquently:


Oh I don't know...just little things called "pride" and "integrity". Why would I want to blow a professional reputation that has taken me years to build up, by employing incompetent idiots just because I can make a fast buck?

No thanks - I'll give that one a miss if it's all the same to you.

minestrone
18th March 2009, 17:02
I once had an Indian working for me in a SAP functional support role who sat on a key technical issue for two days before escalating it because he "didn't want to disturb me".

.......

But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.

Yes, I had an onshore indian support team in my last IB, they got caught hiding fall overs in a trading system becasue they did not want to upset anyone. 30 traders were going nuts while this doughball was trying to hide it like a 5 year old hides the fact he crapped in his pants.

Any yes, I had to sit 10 yards from a microwave, from 12 till 3 I might as well been sitting in a curry shop kitchen. I like curry but I don't want to smell it for 15 hours a week at my flippin desk.

suityou01
18th March 2009, 17:12
[QUOTE=suityou01;799846]

Yep, I've just been outing SUITYOU01 and SVALBAARD as intolerant racist trolls.
Reckon someone else should have a go now

You crossed the line with me there matey. I am NOT a racist, and will not tolerate being accused of such. Please desist.

EternalOptimist
18th March 2009, 17:14
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799856]

You crossed the line with me there matey. I am NOT a racist, and will not tolerate being accused of such. Please desist.

yes you are. and you are gay as well.

Cyberman
18th March 2009, 17:24
Yes, I had an onshore indian support team in my last IB, they got caught hiding fall overs in a trading system becasue they did not want to upset anyone. 30 traders were going nuts while this doughball was trying to hide it like a 5 year old hides the fact he crapped in his pants.

Any yes, I had to sit 10 yards from a microwave, from 12 till 3 I might as well been sitting in a curry shop kitchen. I like curry but I don't want to smell it for 15 hours a week at my flippin desk.



A bit of tolerance is in order here. I've had to put up with smelly garlic breath from all cultures, including my own compatriots sitting nearby. I've also had people complain about eating fish and chips in the office because of the smell. If it really is a problem then you should try to get the rules with regard to eating in the office changed, rather than turning it into a racial issue. :wink

minestrone
18th March 2009, 17:26
A bit of tolerance is in order here. I've had to put up with smelly garlic breath from all cultures, including my own compatriots sitting nearby. I've also had people complain about eating fish and chips in the office because of the smell. If it really is a problem then you should try to get the rules with regard to eating in the office changed, rather than turning it into a racial issue. :wink

You calling me a racist ya swine :laugh

Worked with a chinese guy who once brought in last night's fish from the chipper and microwaved it, the whole office smelt like a kipper's fanny for the rest of the week.

expat
18th March 2009, 17:27
[QUOTE=Ivor Bigun;799856]

You crossed the line with me there matey. I am NOT a racist, and will not tolerate being accused of such. Please desist.IANAL but given the seriousness and indeed criminality of actually being racist, I wouldn't be surprised if an unsubstantiated accusation of racism would be easily actionable, with court orders to CUK to reveal identity and all ........

Platypus
18th March 2009, 17:28
What a shame this thread has deteriorated - I was interested to hear about people's experiences with on-shoring.

All the racist name calling shite we've seen before.

EternalOptimist
18th March 2009, 17:30
A bit of tolerance is in order here. I've had to put up with smelly garlic breath from all cultures, including my own compatriots sitting nearby. I've also had people complain about eating fish and chips in the office because of the smell. If it really is a problem then you should try to get the rules with regard to eating in the office changed, rather than turning it into a racial issue. :wink

you are missing the point entirely.
It's ok for english guys to cook curry in the microwave but not for cheap foreign imports who are taking our jobs, sh@gging our women and not paying taxes. This is not about curry smells it's about the basic fabric of our culture, the right to call foreigners names.




:rolleyes:

Platypus
18th March 2009, 17:30
[QUOTE=suityou01;800042]IANAL but given the seriousness and indeed criminality of actually being racist, I wouldn't be surprised if an unsubstantiated accusation of racism would be easily actionable, with court orders to CUK to reveal identity and all ........

It's slander - and accusing someone of committing a criminal offence is actionable per se. Unfortunately it's not a criminal offence so must be funded privately.

Cyberman
18th March 2009, 17:35
You calling me a racist ya swine :laugh

Worked with a chinese guy who once brought in last night's fish from the chipper and microwaved it, the whole office smelt like a kipper's fanny for the rest of the week.


We use to word racist a bit too easily. Everybody has a little bit of subconcious racism in them because it is simply natural to side with your own compatriots on many issues due to cultural bias IMO. :wink

EternalOptimist
18th March 2009, 17:36
What a shame this thread has deteriorated - I was interested to hear about people's experiences with on-shoring.

All the racist name calling tulipe we've seen before.

you look French to me



:rolleyes:

moorfield
18th March 2009, 17:37
you look French to me



:rolleyes:

:spel smell

Cyberman
18th March 2009, 17:38
you are missing the point entirely.
It's ok for english guys to cook curry in the microwave but not for cheap foreign imports who are taking our jobs, sh@gging our women and not paying taxes. This is not about curry smells it's about the basic fabric of our culture, the right to call foreigners names.




:rolleyes:


Were you on that BNP member list that was publicised on the internet ? :laugh

EternalOptimist
18th March 2009, 17:41
Were you on that BNP member list that was publicised on the internet ? :laugh

I support expensive foreign imports, who refuse to sh@g our women, eat at home and pay lots of tax

and dont look like David Essex



:rolleyes:

denver2k
18th March 2009, 17:41
you are missing the point entirely.
sh@gging our women and not paying taxes
:rolleyes:


Is there any tax on sh@gging "our" women? Im not in this "our" because i dont wana own these women.....

Anyways, im sick of smelly food at work. I would love to have them banned in workplace kitchens, no matter if its Thai,Jepanese,English,French,Indian,Pakistani,Afri can whatever....

Or make "air tight" kitchens, so no1 else can feel it....

When i was student, i worked for a company in Canary Wharf London, which was owned by an Asian guy and they banned indian hot food in Kitchen....no1 came up with "Racism" issue

BrilloPad
18th March 2009, 17:42
you look French to me



:rolleyes:

Shut it scottie......

denver2k
18th March 2009, 17:46
I support expensive foreign imports, who refuse to sh@g our women, eat at home and pay lots of tax

and dont look like David Essex



:rolleyes:


You mean them (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/02/07/andrey-arshavin-s-wag-yulia-can-t-stand-the-english-except-victoria-beckham-115875-21103154/)

Ivor Bigun
18th March 2009, 20:46
[QUOTE=suityou01;800042]IANAL but given the seriousness and indeed criminality of actually being racist, I wouldn't be surprised if an unsubstantiated accusation of racism would be easily actionable, with court orders to CUK to reveal identity and all ........

So Expat, where do you stand? Yep - lets see this go to court.....

Here's a few choice quotes for a magistrate to get started on. I've left out the ones that could be considered funny and witty - but the following IMO, are methodically aimed.
*****
But worse of all - their food always seems to stink out the entire floor when they use the microwave.
*****
This means when visiting the little boys room for my afternoon constitutional i'm confronted with a towering pile of wet bog roll/stool mix with an outsourcers egg perched jauntily on top. Nice.
God knows how they manage to lay the final one as the tower is 5 foot high by this point. I reckon they visit in 3's and form a human pyramid to lay the final 'fairy' on the top.
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I wondered how long it would take for some coward to play the race card.
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This is not trolling. This is happening to a good friend of mine. He is going to have his work stream cut because of this. Others too.
Who in their right mind would ever admit to being racist? Therefore the question is flawed as there can only ever be one acceptable answer.
This thread had the potential to skate perilously close to racism, and I truly hope is doesn't. The pertinent issue here is cheap labour being brought in from overseas starving skilled labour over here from work.
Is this something you condone?
Someone somewhere has to pick up the tab. While clientco saves a few bob, the taxpayer has to shell out more in JSA and benefits for the people forced out of work.
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I think you'll find its not against the law to have racist thoughts. However, actioning those thoughts into deeds or putting them onto paper can be. All I'm doing is holding a mirror to those that say these things. It is they that are getting upset about it.

Here's another reference to definitions of what Racism is.
http://www.childline.org.uk/Info/Pages/Racism.aspx
Just because there is no specific victim here, it doesn't mean that its OK.
The Law could take the view that "incitement to racial hatred" is happening right now with these statements above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement_to_ethnic_or_racial_hatred

Maybe SUITYOU01 is just a sockpuppet of Jade Goody. :laugh

BrilloPad
18th March 2009, 20:53
I do hope nobody is going to feed the troll. Or shall I get some popcorn in?

suityou01
18th March 2009, 21:15
I do hope nobody is going to feed the troll. Or shall I get some popcorn in?

No he's sleeping. Let him be.

lightng
18th March 2009, 21:26
I can't see any racism here. Nothing to see. Move on.

GreenerGrass
19th March 2009, 08:10
Bickering over the definition of racism misses the real enemy here - which is perhaps what the people behind onshoring want.

You should all direct your hate and bile to our short sighted government and company owners who employ onshoring and offshoring despite this being a dying country that only has service-based industries left.
You cannot blame the hard working Indians who have been our historic allies from World War One to the current War On Terror. etc...

oracleslave
19th March 2009, 08:45
A bit of tolerance is in order here. I've had to put up with smelly garlic breath from all cultures, including my own compatriots sitting nearby. I've also had people complain about eating fish and chips in the office because of the smell. If it really is a problem then you should try to get the rules with regard to eating in the office changed, rather than turning it into a racial issue. :wink

Cyberman introduces reason, common sense and some rational thinking to a thread. I finds myself agreeing with him.......and now I feel nauseous :sick :wink

Andy2
19th March 2009, 10:16
Bickering over the definition of racism misses the real enemy here - which is perhaps what the people behind onshoring want.

You should all direct your hate and bile to our short sighted government and company owners who employ onshoring and offshoring despite this being a dying country that only has service-based industries left.
You cannot blame the hard working Indians who have been our historic allies from World War One to the current War On Terror. etc...

WHS+