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    Not bad Obama!

    Nice little opener - obv the Indians arent happy

    Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

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    By HEATHER TIMMONS
    Published: May 5, 2009

    NEW DELHI — President Obama’s proposal to change the American corporate tax system is winning few fans in India, where some say it is aimed at curbing the country’s outsourcing industry.


    Perhaps that is because Mr. Obama specifically struck out at the epicenter of Indian outsourcing.

    The president vowed Monday to overhaul a tax code that allowed companies to pay less tax, as he put it, to “create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, New York.” One element to that change could be the elimination of a deduction for American companies when they invest in subsidiaries outside the United States.

    American companies have tens of thousands of employees in India in wholly owned subsidiaries. Many of these Indian operations handle customer service and back-office functions, particularly for banks and credit card companies. American businesses employ thousands more in India by contracting work to local technology and outsourcing companies.

    And recently, many American corporations have also expanded their sales, marketing and distribution in India to take advantage of the country’s fast economic growth and expanding middle class.

    Many business people in India were upset by Mr. Obama’s tax proposal. The president of the Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India, Sajjan Jindal, said it could “kill the spirit of competition.”

    The Indian affiliate of CNN spent Tuesday afternoon asking economists and politicians whether Mr. Obama was “anti-India.” An editorial in The Times of India said Bangalore had become a “catch-all term to hang U.S. economic woes on.”

    What is unclear, though, is what, if any, impact Mr. Obama’s proposed tax plan will actually have on jobs in India.

    “It’s a tax disincentive to discourage outsourcing to countries like India,” said Uday Ved, head of tax issues at KPMG India. But according to Mr. Ved and other international tax experts, companies do not move jobs to India because the tax rate is lower; they do it because labor costs less.

    “We still believe that the cost advantage to India is so high” that American companies will continue to move some jobs to India, Mr. Ved said.

    Raymond J. Wiacek, chairman of the global tax practice at Jones Day, said, “I don’t think it’s going to make a bean’s difference to India.”

    He added, “India is a highly skilled but inexpensive labor market,” and not one where American companies have been accruing enormous profits in their foreign subsidiaries.

    Some big American companies have large numbers of employees in India. For example, General Electric has about 14,500 employees in India, I.B.M. more than 74,000, and Citigroup more than 10,000. In addition, India’s information technology and outsourcing companies employ about 2.2 million people, and American companies account for about 60 percent of their business.

    “The jobs aren’t coming back to the U.S. as a result of this proposal,” Mr. Wiacek said. The tax proposal is “about revenues and that’s it.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/bu.../06tax.html?em
    Cost Advantage to India? LOL What about the cost incurred to manage the disaster they create!

    Now if only we had a gutsy Prime Minister who could tax those companies in the UK for offshoring.

    Anti competition? Sod that! Its about looking after your tax payers!

    #2
    Originally posted by Liability View Post
    Anti competition? Sod that! Its about looking after your tax payers!
    You do realise that the resulting protectionism and nationalism that arose out of the great depression is blamed for causing the Second World War don't you?

    Be careful what you wish for.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Gonzo View Post
      You do realise that the resulting protectionism and nationalism that arose out of the great depression is blamed for causing the Second World War don't you?

      Be careful what you wish for.
      You do know that American protectionism is what prevented the Great Depression from being so bad in the UK and associated territories...

      Nationalism was an ongoing problem even before the depression.

      And the Treaty of Versailles is really what caused WWII.

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        #4
        Originally posted by threaded View Post
        You do know that American protectionism is what prevented the Great Depression from being so bad in the UK and associated territories...

        Nationalism was an ongoing problem even before the depression.

        And the Treaty of Versailles is really what caused WWII.

        HTH
        It was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour that caused WWII as far as the USA was concerned


        HTH



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          #5
          Originally posted by EternalOptimist View Post
          It was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour that caused WWII as far as the USA was concerned
          Yeah... the barstewards were selling strategic materials to Nazi Germany right up until Pearl Harbour Dec 1941 - the Luftwaffe wouldn't have gotten off the ground without shipments of tetraethyl lead
          How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think

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            #6
            Actually sounds like an incentive to move the entire operation to India, rather than some of it. Can't see US companies insourcing everyting again, so because of their bigger tax bill there'll just be pressure to outsource even more to compensate. This is typical of what happens when politicians try to protect jobs.

            In the atmosphere of a plush Oval Office, surrounded by your own personal advisers, and some poll statistics, probably sounded a great idea.
            Last edited by BlasterBates; 6 May 2009, 09:20.
            I'm alright Jack

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              #7
              Decreased demand for indian outsourcing from US may mean a further drop in the price of labour from India. Which in turn will increase the demand for outsourcing solutions from the UK.

              ... yet more bad news for us. Doomed.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Troll View Post
                Yeah... the barstewards were selling strategic materials to Nazi Germany right up until Pearl Harbour Dec 1941 - the Luftwaffe wouldn't have gotten off the ground without shipments of tetraethyl lead
                Spot on. Germany lacked rare metals.

                The Japs attacked the US because of the oil embargo
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
                  Actually sounds like an incentive to move the entire operation to India, rather than some of it. Can't see US companies insourcing everyting again, so because of their bigger tax bill there'll just be pressure to outsource even more to compensate. This is typical of what happens when politicians try to protect jobs.

                  In the atmosphere of a plush Oval Office, surrounded by your own personal advisers, and some poll statistics, probably sounded a great idea.
                  Originally posted by lightng View Post
                  Decreased demand for indian outsourcing from US may mean a further drop in the price of labour from India. Which in turn will increase the demand for outsourcing solutions from the UK.

                  ... yet more bad news for us. Doomed.

                  You are both right. It will drive more US business out of the US rather than bring it home. Any Indian company seeking to expand will target the UK rather than the US as there is no way any British government will do anything to 'protect' native workers.
                  How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by HairyArsedBloke View Post
                    You are both right. It will drive more US business out of the US rather than bring it home. Any Indian company seeking to expand will target the UK rather than the US as there is no way any British government will do anything to 'protect' native workers.

                    Then we must join the BNP! lol.

                    Bollox No Parties!

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