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oh dear: Torture valid as it saves lives, says MI5

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    oh dear: Torture valid as it saves lives, says MI5

    Torture valid as it saves lives, says MI5
    By David Sanderson

    TORTURING detainees does help interrogators to obtain evidence that could save lives, according to Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, the MI5 Director-General.

    Dame Eliza also said it was impossible for agencies in this country to know if information supplied by foreign security services had been obtained by the use of torture. She added that to try to find out would jeopardise future relationships.

    In a statement Dame Eliza cited the example of Kamel Bourgass, a failed asylum-seeker jailed this year for killing Detective Constable Stephen Oake and attempting to create ricin in his North London flat.

    She wrote in the statement, obtained by Channel 4 News, that information about his intentions first came from an interview conducted by Algerian security services with Mohammed Meguerba, an al-Qaeda terrorist. The statement was submitted to the House of Lords, which is considering an appeal to a Court of Appeal ruling last year that British intelligence services can use information extracted under torture to detain suspected terrorists.

    The appellants are foreign nationals, Algerians or other north Africans detained in Belmarsh under the indefinite de- tention of the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001.

    They are challenging the Government’s strategy of by-passing traditional standards of due process and the constraints of human rights law by allowing the executive to deport or detain without proof of wrongdoing.

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    What a load of balls -- take _any_ man on the street and torture them: they will admit to anything you want, just ask Stalin's henchmen of 1937.

    #2
    Is there some kind of international standards authority for torture?

    I imagine that the definition can vary quite a lot. Electrodes on the bollocks would probably be counted by most countries, but what about being forced to listen to Robbie Williams at full volume non-stop for a week?

    Or being fed nothing but Pot Noodles? ... or having to sleep on a lumpy bed? ... or having to share a cell with Chico?

    I demand a full list of all acts which count as torture.

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      #3
      Originally posted by PRC1964
      I demand a full list of all acts which count as torture.
      CIA made up a list of "softening" techniques that their lawyers classified as NOT torture and thus acceptable for use. One technique was "simulated drawning (sp?)", ie force prisoners head under water pretending he will die, apparently that's okay.

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        #4
        is that when they were looking for Witches
        Your parents ruin the first half of your life and your kids ruin the second half

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          #5
          torture

          Originally posted by MrsGoof
          is that when they were looking for Witches
          Lunching with contractors should be banned
          Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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            #6
            Originally posted by PRC1964
            Is there some kind of international standards authority for torture?

            I imagine that the definition can vary quite a lot. Electrodes on the bollocks would probably be counted by most countries, but what about being forced to listen to Robbie Williams at full volume non-stop for a week?

            Or being fed nothing but Pot Noodles? ... or having to sleep on a lumpy bed? ... or having to share a cell with Chico?

            I demand a full list of all acts which count as torture.
            The truth is out there...

            http://www.jonronson.com/goats_04.html

            Older and ...well, just older!!

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              #7
              Originally posted by PRC1964
              Is there some kind of international standards authority for torture?

              I imagine that the definition can vary quite a lot. Electrodes on the bollocks would probably be counted by most countries, but what about being forced to listen to Robbie Williams at full volume non-stop for a week?

              Or being fed nothing but Pot Noodles? ... or having to sleep on a lumpy bed? ... or having to share a cell with Chico?

              I demand a full list of all acts which count as torture.
              Thats the game the americans play constantly with guantalamo bay. When they say "we are tortureing no one there" what they actually mean is they are not doing things that cause direct, measurable phisical pain (aka Electrodes on the bollocks )
              But they are doing 1001 other things, most that would get them into serious trouble, possible even jail time in their own country. It's is long past tme that things like the international declaration of human rights and the geneva convention were updated.

              As to the original topic, slippery slope what they are going there. As we all know torture someone and you can get them to admit to anything, even if that confesion will only garantee their death.

              For this reason alone, before you even get to human rights issues, any reasonable society that is interested in the truth does not use it.

              So i would say nothing extracted via torture should ever be allowed to be admited as evidence , if they get such information from another country sure follow it up, use it to obtain real evidence against a person but the confesion it's self should never be allowed as evidence as it always will be "tainted"

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                #8
                Nice Guy Eddie: If you ******* beat this ***** long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it ******* so!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Not So Wise
                  As we all know torture someone and you can get them to admit to anything, even if that confesion will only garantee their death.
                  That assumes they're in a normal frame of mind, desperation aside - But how about pumping them full of scopolamine or some similar drug that changes their state of consciousness, with or without torture?
                  Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ here

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                    #10
                    Uk

                    well it shows how much corrupted UK has become under Bliar and his minions
                    They want to hold suspects for 3 months without charge and send them to Algeria in the meantime ?
                    Soon MI5 will dictate the government policy.

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