My company have just employed The Hay group to define job roles

[notescontractor]

I have just received the following global email. Does this usually mean redundanices?



"An external consultancy (the Hay Group), which has extensive experience was appointed to ensure all job descriptions were written in a standard and consistent format."

Has anyone had any experience with this company before?

Many thanks

[Tingles]

I'm confused?

Are you a Director in your company?

Who has appointed them?


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[notescontractor]

nope was a contractor, now permie.
The company which i work for has hired them.

[PM-Junkie]

nope was a contractor, now permie.
The company which i work for has hired them.

...and this would be of interest to a CONTRACTORS forum for why, exactly?

[scotspine]

now now guys, i was shot down in flames for a similar remark in accountancy. please be a bit more ... agreeable.

[BoredBloke]

...and this would be of interest to a CONTRACTORS forum for why, exactly?

Depends what this Hay group does. If their main role is to define all the roles to India then it would be of interest. If it's role is to define all roles to their people at the expense of the contractors then it would also be of interest. Unfortunately I don't know either way.

[cojak]

now now guys, i was shot down in flames for a similar remark in accountancy. please be a bit more ... agreeable.

Well, I must admit that I was of the same opinion as PM-Junkie, he wasn't rude, just asking the blindingly obvious.

Note to newbies - give a bit of context when you ask these types of questions. A blunt question will illicit a blunt answer.

Anyway, the answer is - Who knows? (but probably yes).

This isn't the recruitment arm of Hays - it'll probably be Hay/McBer who are premier in HR Development.

HB is often brought it after a series of buy-outs/mergers to realign all of the smaller parts of the company into one homogeneous whole, so that a senior software developer in one part of the company does the same type of job in one company as another.

Then they can consolidate and get rid of 'dead wood'.

HB is also used if the company decides on a strategic change of direction. HR can see what jobs they've got too much of and what jobs they need..

Actually then, probably yes - it does mean redundancies. so hopefully you didn't believe the bull that permiedom offered stability and a career structure (you didn't, did you? )

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Although not strictly relevant in this, a contractor forum, the Hay group is a benchmarking outfit - they will look at jobs and compare them with other organisations (HR insultancy).

Most likely they (your employers) are just trying to cover their own backsides by ensuring everyone's complying with equal pay and ops legislation. They sometimes also recommend changes to pay/benefits - a pal of mine once got a company car following a Hay review because their review suggested that people doing equivalent jobs to hers elsewhere would be entitled.

It isn't necessarily a prelude to firings etc., unless of course you have a lot of deadwood or very greedy execs/shareholders in the organisation.

The Hay Group publish pay scales which are used in large parts of the UK Public Sector.

There's quite a bit of moronic HR craptrap on their website
http://www.haygroup.com/uk/index.aspx

[cojak]

Most likely they (your employers) are just trying to cover their own backsides by ensuring everyone's complying with equal pay and ops legislation. They sometimes also recommend changes to pay/benefits - a pal of mine once got a company car following a Hay review because their review suggested that people doing equivalent jobs to hers elsewhere would be entitled.

http://www.haygroup.com/uk/index.aspx

Yep, that's probably the best the OP can hope for - any straw will do..

[Fred Bloggs]

Loads of big co's use Hay grades. It's one of the reasons why they all pay virtually the same these days.