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thelurker
10th June 2009, 08:36
Hi people,

Are there any experienced Project Managers about as I have interview for pm role which is step up for me and could do with some practical advice.....

Thanks

Amiga500
10th June 2009, 09:52
Just learn to waffle on by saying what could actually be said in a few words in a few hundred words. Also use words like 'streamline', 'deliverables' and 'requirements' a lot and set up LOADs of unnecessary meetings - then go and play connect 4 on your mobile on the bog.

That's what I've observed most PM's do wherever I've worked.

Moscow Mule
10th June 2009, 09:56
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Project-Management-Dummies-Stanley-Portny/dp/0470049235/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244627727&sr=8-3

Chuck a few buzzwords from this book in your conversation. Jobs a good-un

Evil Hangover
10th June 2009, 09:59
drone on about the importance of communication and making your stakeholders

Cheshire Cat
10th June 2009, 10:04
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Project-Management-Dummies-Stanley-Portny/dp/0470049235/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244627727&sr=8-3

Chuck a few buzzwords from this book in your conversation. Jobs a good-un

Believe it or not, this is about as much as you need to know to be a PM.
Granted, there are good and bad PMs, but it's nothing to do with qualifications. Some people are just good managers of people/projects, and some are not, regardless of what course they've been on.

Grinder
10th June 2009, 10:14
I think you should tell where it is in order we can provide specific advice to that organisation / industry :):fight:

Drewster
10th June 2009, 10:15
drone on and on and on

Sorry just corrected that

Mich the Tester
10th June 2009, 10:15
I think you should tell where it is in order we can provide specific advice to that organisation / industry :):fight:Bring back the vibrating avatar!

sasguru
10th June 2009, 10:20
Never take responsibility for anything, blame others for you own faults, bullshit about stuff you know nothing about and above all be an arrogant twunt.

That's what PM Junkie does.

Grinder
10th June 2009, 10:28
Bring back the vibrating avatar!
You're right; tis done. Original work is better than retro reuse.

MPwannadecentincome
10th June 2009, 10:36
No books, certification or advise from anyone is going to help when you are asked 'Describe how you handled such and such a situation'.

If its a step up - what are you saying to the client, have you been honest or are you claiming to have experience you do not have?

Drewster
10th June 2009, 10:44
No books, certification or advise from anyone is going to help when you are asked 'Describe how you handled such and such a situation'.

If its a step up - what are you saying to the client, have you been honest or are you claiming to have experience you do not have?

<cough> <splutter> Sorry - I thought for a moment you were suggesting being a PM might be a step up.....

Grinder
10th June 2009, 10:45
Just to take a moment to defend PMs here, how would you like to field calls from customers all day long asking how its going?

I did organise the delivery of a number of projects at my last place, and I ensured the systems once up, stayed up (and when down, knowing who to assign to sort it out) - those are the achievement I recognise.

But as far as the developers were concerned, I managed to shield them from the customers and users as much as possible (almost continuously) and defended their approach when things were getting a bit tight. The meetings I organised, I went to, no point dragging techies into a meeting with the customers.

In my view if the PM doesn't understand enough to explain to the business how its going, then he/she needs to either get more involved or go more granular and track at a lower level.

MPwannadecentincome
10th June 2009, 10:52
Just to take a moment to defend PMs here, how would you like to field calls from customers all day long asking how its going?

I did organise the delivery of a number of projects at my last place, and I ensured the systems once up, stayed up (and when down, knowing who to assign to sort it out) - those are the achievement I recognise.

But as far as the developers were concerned, I managed to shield them from the customers and users as much as possible (almost continuously) and defended their approach when things were getting a bit tight. The meetings I organised, I went to, no point dragging techies into a meeting with the customers.

In my view if the PM doesn't understand enough to explain to the business how its going, then he/she needs to either get more involved or go more granular and track at a lower level.

WHS - though there are times when it is useful to have a techie in a meeting to help them understand what the customer's point of view is as well as contributing to analysing or solving issues.

Also its not just customers calling asking hows it going, Its the emails from other stakeholders and steering committee presentations etc that need fielding too.

Alf W
10th June 2009, 11:08
This is a difficult one as you have to gauge what the interviewer views as important in a Project Manager. Some are impressed by the "I just get the job done and delivered" type of PM and others (usually those with reams of certifications to their name) are less interested in that and more impressed by the "governance obsessive" type of PM.

thelurker
10th June 2009, 12:41
I am required to do a presentation on the following....

"The minimum set of processes I would implement to ensure robust project control, whilst maintaining the flexibility required to manage a number of projects successfully within a collaborative environment "

:eek

Alf W
10th June 2009, 13:06
Governance Obsessive it is then!

thelurker
10th June 2009, 13:10
Does this fall under Prince2?

Drewster
10th June 2009, 13:14
I am required to do a presentation on the following....

"The minimum set of processes I would implement to ensure robust project control, whilst maintaining the flexibility required to manage a number of projects successfully within a collaborative environment "

:eek

Errr.....

Just learn to waffle on by saying what could actually be said in a few words in a few hundred words..............


Chuck a few buzzwords from this book in your conversation. Jobs a good-un


drone on about the importance of communication and making your stakeholders

Quite

thelurker
10th June 2009, 13:20
I should mention it is a role within the NHS....

ace00
10th June 2009, 13:54
I am required to do a presentation on the following....

"The minimum set of processes I would implement to ensure robust project control, whilst maintaining the flexibility required to manage a number of projects successfully within a collaborative environment "

:eek


I could do that.

original PM
10th June 2009, 14:03
They want to hear

Risk Analysis
Gantt Charts
Stakeholder commuinication matrix
Unit test, Black box test, white box test, shoe box test
Code libraries
Project Initiation Document
Sign off
Milestone planning
UAT
Training
Budget Managment
Customer Expectations


they want you to
Deliver everything as quickly as possible will not listen to any genuine issues which you raise which will delay go live = especially if it means they may look bad infront of their boss.

Ultimately you will be succesful if your skills are up to scratch you have some luck and when things go t!ts up you do not cop for all of the tulip.

thelurker
18th June 2009, 15:26
Thanks for all the replies people, special mention to original PM.

Secured an offer on the role!

Now, I just have to put the theory into practice…….

Zippy
18th June 2009, 15:30
Thanks for all the replies people, special mention to original PM.

Secured an offer on the role!

Now, I just have to put the theory into practice…….

Oh well done that man! (don't forget to mention diversity awareness when you get in there)

MPwannadecentincome
18th June 2009, 16:09
Thanks for all the replies people, special mention to original PM.

Secured an offer on the role!

Now, I just have to put the theory into practice…….


well done!

original PM
18th June 2009, 16:42
glad I could be off help

although I hope you did not mention


Unit test, Black box test, white box test, shoe box test

cos I made that one up!

good luck with the role!

Grinder
18th June 2009, 17:36
I sort of wish my chosen specialisation was not 'blaggable'. :frown

original PM
18th June 2009, 17:42
fear not grinder

they may blag to get in but if they do they look like muppets as they should be easily found out by competent managment

unfortunately that rarely exists and when they do get found out the management tend to cover it up to disguise their own incompetence

hey ho!!!!

Tensai
18th June 2009, 19:02
they may blag to get in but if they do they look like muppets as they should be easily found out by competent managment

WHS

At clientco, durr management have just binned 4 PMs for poor performance. Certainly keeps the rest of us on our toes.

MaryPoppins
18th June 2009, 19:09
WHS

At clientco, durr management have just binned 4 PMs for poor performance. Certainly keeps the rest of us on our toes.

Good. I am sick to death of working with PM's who have blagged their way into the role and have zero skill, leaving others to clean up after them. Ggrrrr.