Social housing prioritisation and immigrants

[Alf W]

Sorry BNP Members / Daily Mail readers but it seems that immigrants are not given any preferential treatment over social housing.

There is no evidence that new arrivals in the UK are able to jump council housing queues, an Equality and Human Rights Commission report says.

Once they settle and are entitled to help, it adds, the same proportion live in social housing as UK-born residents.

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[BrilloPad]

Should we have any immigrants in the first place though? Especially the FRench! Send them all home.

[xoggoth]

It is any idiotic idea that we need anyone who needs social housing at all. In what way do they make a net contribution to the UK? How many people's future pensions are they likely to pay for?

Ah yes, that "low paid jobs that British workers don't want to do" nonsense. In a free market there is usually one good reason why a job does not pay an adequate wage, because it is a job that is not worth doing.

Using our welfare system to subsidise a cook come bottle washer at a restaurant that makes insufficient profit to pay a normal wage makes as much economic sense as subsidising a job at British Leyland.

If businesses cannot pay their own way without the owners or employees being propped up by welfare, they should not exist.

[xoggoth]

And why is "same proportion" supposed to be acceptable?

We are stuck with our own less able, one could even argue that as our society made them we have a responsibility to them. We have no such duties to foreign citizens. Would anyone seriously take issue with Oz or the US for not accepting our sink estate youths along with our professionals? Of course not. So why should we take in less able or even average migrants? Average ability raises no averages.

Migrants should not simply be our equals in anything. We should have a system that as far as possible ensures they are far better than us.

[EternalOptimist]

Would anyone seriously take issue with Oz or the US for not accepting our sink estate youths .

Sending our sink estate youths to these countries ensures that both sides have their average IQ increased

[Lockhouse]

They might be in "the same proportion" - and looking who did the survey you can bet the questions were skewed - but they shouldn't even be on the list at all.

[Cyberman]

Surely the fact that immigrants have the same proportion of social housing is obvious evidence of favouritism towards them. As they have arrived in recent years and housing lists will already have existed for years with thousands of indigenous folk on them and therefore with higher priority, it would normally be a very long time before they could achieve the 'same proportion' of social housing. Yet, they have achieved acquisition of property quickly and against all odds.

They really must think that we will believe anything.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Sorry BNP Members / Daily Mail readers but it seems that immigrants are not given any preferential treatment over social housing.



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Have a look at this analysis by Mark Wadsworth

4 million units of social housing in the UK (local authority or housing association).
Average length of tenancy 25 years.
Hence units to be allocated each year = 160,000.
Number of households on waiting lists 1.6 million, so average time on waiting list almost certainly more than five years.
On that basis, there'd be next to no 'recent arrivals' in social housing, because 'recent arrivals' are people who've been here less than five years, natch.

Alternatively:
4 million units x 2% occupied by 'recent arrivals' = 80,000
Units allocated in last five years = 5 x 160,000 (from above) = 800,000
On that basis, ten per cent of available social housing has been given to 'recent arrivals'.

Now, the first article they linked to said that slightly less than five per cent of housing managed by housing associations was allocated to 'recent arrivals', so if ten per cent of all social housing has gone to 'recent arrivals', the proportion for housing managed by local authorities must be rather higher than ten per cent, somewhere in the region of twelve or thirteen per cent.

So while the underlying statistics may be authentic, they actually show the opposite of what The Righteous say that they show.

[Alf W]

Here's what the Daily Mail say.

[NotAllThere]

Have a look at this analysis by Mark Wadsworth

How ironic that a blog post entitled more-fakestatistics-tomfoolery contains a bunch of statistical crap as well.¨

Even if the system is equitable, I'm not convinced it should be. Whether the "immigrants" are from Romania or Cornwall it should still be tilted in favour of locals.