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    The US H-1b visa

    A recent report suggests that US employers are using the H-1B visa program to pay lower wages than the national average for programming jobs.

    According to "The Bottom of the Pay Scale: Wages for H-1B Computer Programmers — F.Y. 2004," a report by Programmers Guild board member John Miano, non-U.S. citizens working in the United States on an H-1B visa are paid "significantly less than their American counterparts."

    How much less? "On average, applications for H-1B workers in computer occupations were for wages $13,000 less than Americans in the same occupation and state."

    Miano based his report on OES (Occupational Employment Statistics) data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics which estimates wages for the entire country by state and metropolitan area. The report's H-1B wage data came from the U.S. Department of Labor's H-1B disclosure Web site.

    Miano, in his report, whenever possible gave the benefit of the doubt to the employer. For example, he used OES data from 2003 because this is the wage information that would have been available to the employers when filing an LCA (labor condition application).

    Miano had some difficulty matching OES job codes with LCA job titles, which employers typically create. Where both the OES and the LCA listed a job as "programmer/analyst," Miano took the conservative approach of assuming that the LCA was describing a programmer, a job title that typically earns a lower wage than a systems analyst.

    Nonetheless, Miano's report shows that wages paid to H-1B workers in computer programming occupations had a mean salary of $52,312, while the OES mean was $67,700; a difference of $15,388. The report also lists the OES median salary as $65,003, or $12,691 higher than the H-1B median.

    When you look at computer job titles by state, California has one of the biggest differentials between OES salaries and H-1B salaries. The average salary for a programmer in California is $73,960, according to the OES. The average salary paid to an H-1B visa worker for the same job is $53,387; a difference of $20,573.

    Here are some other interesting national wage comparisons: The mean salary of an H-1B computer scientist is $78,169, versus $90,146 according to the OES. For an H-1B network analyst, the mean salary is $55,358, versus the OES mean salary of $64,799. And for the title "system administrator," there was a $17,478 difference in salary between the H-1B mean and the OES mean.

    H-1B visa workers were also concentrated at the bottom end of the wage scale, with the majority of H-1B visa workers in the 10-24 percentile range. "That means the largest concentration of H-1B workers make less than [the] highest 75 percent of the U.S. wage earners," the report notes.

    While it would be difficult to prove that any one particular employer is hiring foreign workers to pay less, the statistics show that, for whatever reason, this is exactly what is happening on a nationwide basis. Miano says lobbyists will admit that a small number of companies are abusing the H-1B program, but what he has found in this research is that almost everyone is abusing it.

    "Abuse is by far more common than legitimate use," he says
    And now we see them trying to pull the same over here.

    #2
    Do you have a link to the original document please?

    It's funny. I was having a search on Google for this document For example

    I found this:
    Research finds US H1B visa holders paid less from 26 October 2005 that says:
    H-1B visa are paid "significantly less than their American counterparts."

    How much less? "On average, applications for H-1B workers in computer occupations were for wages $13,000 less than Americans in the same occupation and state."
    Sleeze ? Yes please :

    U.S. Senate approves H-1B visa increase

    If it is rotten to core, let's have some more !!
    IDG News Service 11/4/05

    Grant Gross, IDG News Service, Washington Bureau

    The U.S. Senate on Thursday approved up to 30,000 additional foreign-worker visas a year in a program popular with technology vendors.
    On this topic Senate panel increases H-1B visa limit. Legislation would nearly double H-1B visa limit. Gates calls for end to foreign worker visa limits
    ITworld.com This Week.

    The Senate approved a proposal to "recapture" unused H-1B visas going back to the early 1990s and to add up to 30,000 of those unused visas to the 65,000 annual cap. The number of applications for H-1Bs for the federal government's fiscal year 2006 hit the cap in August, a month and a half before the fiscal year began.
    You just couldn't make this stuff up

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      #3
      what's the big deal, so they get paid a little less

      those people will be thinking for the long term

      a little less pay is the price they pay while they accrue
      enough time to get residency and then voila, they leave
      their sweat shop employer and go and earn the bigger bucks

      it's the way of the world

      he who dares Rodders he who dares


      Milan.

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        #4
        Yes, many people actually sold themselves into the circus to become gladiators. So many high born people, whose families had fallen on hard times, did this that one of the caesers made a law to try and stop the practice.
        Insanity: repeating the same actions, but expecting different results.
        threadeds website, and here's my blog.

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          #5
          Originally posted by milanbenes
          what's the big deal, so they get paid a little less

          those people will be thinking for the long term

          a little less pay is the price they pay while they accrue
          enough time to get residency and then voila, they leave
          their sweat shop employer and go and earn the bigger bucks
          Actually thats not how it works, they are tied to that company, try to move and the next company has to take out a new H1-B (don't think they can even stay in the country during this process which from what i know is a pretty long process) Being in the country and working does not grant them any fast track or special rights to a green card or any other form of permanent residency. It's enter the visa lotto or find some american to marry or nothing.

          This is basiclly companys abusing the system for cheap labour, in a market where the IT workforce is still very much in the post y2k depression. Hell it would be better if they were given perma visas then their salaries would raise to local levels (and thus stop undercutting locals) once they "had their foot in the door"

          For the companys it is basiclly "offshoreing" with none of the downsides

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            #6
            Originally posted by Not So Wise
            Actually thats not how it works, they are tied to that company, try to move and the next company has to take out a new H1-B (don't think they can even stay in the country during this process which from what i know is a pretty long process)
            Actually you are wrong - you can easily change employment on H1-B and you do not need to leave the country. You even do not need to wait for approval before starting working for a new employer.

            Residency is a different thing - formally H1-B has nothing to do with getting a green card, but it gives you (or rather your lawyers) time to pass through all necessary paper work.

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              #7
              Originally posted by AlexExFTV
              Residency is a different thing - formally H1-B has nothing to do with getting a green card, but it gives you (or rather your lawyers) time to pass through all necessary paper work.
              With just the minor catch that having the H1-B is dependent on your not intending to stay in the country permanently, whereas the Green Card is dependent on your intending to do so. Difficult to have both intentions at the same time.

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                #8
                Actually you are wrong - you can easily change employment on H1-B and you do not need to leave the country. You even do not need to wait for approval before starting working for a new employer.
                Let's say it will take 4 to 5 years to get your Green Card while on an H1B.

                You crank up 2 years with employer one. Then leave. You start with employer two. You then have a total accrued time of zero years towards your Green Card. Yup, lots of fun.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by expat
                  With just the minor catch that having the H1-B is dependent on your not intending to stay in the country permanently, whereas the Green Card is dependent on your intending to do so. Difficult to have both intentions at the same time.
                  You are wrong again - H1-B is dual-intent visa, you do NOT need to prove or promise that you do not have intention to stay in the country permanently.

                  After all - who is a professional immigrant here ?
                  Last edited by AlexExFTV; 7 November 2005, 14:57.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by datestamp
                    Let's say it will take 4 to 5 years to get your Green Card while on an H1B.

                    You crank up 2 years with employer one. Then leave. You start with employer two. You then have a total accrued time of zero years towards your Green Card. Yup, lots of fun.
                    There is no such thing as "accrued time towards G.C." (there is in the UK, but in the USA they have different rules), moreover depending on the status of your G.C. application, you even may not need to start the application from the scratch when you change employment. I know quite a lot of people who changed employers in the States and got their G. Cards without a problem.

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