Intra Company Transfer (ICT) abuse: information and complaining

**malvolio** · 21 July 2009, 14:57

I assume you have flagged this one to them already?

**Numpty** · 21 July 2009, 15:07

Originally posted by malvolio View Post

I assume you have flagged this one to them already?

I did. I was very patient and used the link in my posting above to do so. It worked!

**pzz76077** · 21 July 2009, 15:21

Originally posted by Numpty View Post

I'm fed up with this kind of thing:

If you are also fed up of seeing advertised roles paying silly low rates that you just know are paying lip service to the rules regarding overseas workers, you can report them.

The PCG set up this: the ICT Abuse web site.

What follows is heavily edited for the CUK audience - follow the link above for more detailed info, especially on daily rates.

The (current) process for complaining:

If you see a job for:

any project manager role at under £156 / day
any developer role at under £104 / day
any support role at under £104 / day

take a screenshot and send the evidence as a screenshot (do not send links as they expire) to [email protected] with “ICTABUSE” in the subject line. Shortcut.

search engine keywords: Intra Company Transfers ICT abuse of ICT information how to complain complaints complaining

750 pw approx 40K pa that is the going rate for a PM that is qualified but not too experienced (the role does not ask for x years experience).

This role may not be for you but many new entrants into IT with little or no experience would jump at a chance like this.

PZZ

**darmstadt** · 21 July 2009, 15:27

Originally posted by pzz76077 View Post

750 pw approx 40K pa that is the going rate for a PM that is qualified but not too experienced (the role does not ask for x years experience).

This role may not be for you but many new entrants into IT with little or no experience would jump at a chance like this.

PZZ

Surely its the following statement in the advertisement that doesn't help:

Applications welcome from candidates who require a work visa

**pzz76077** · 21 July 2009, 15:34

Originally posted by darmstadt View Post

Surely its the following statement in the advertisement that doesn't help:

I saw that, still not a bad rate for a newby PM though. Weather they get a look in is a different matter. If johnny foreigner gets the role, you could not argue that they are not getting the going rate IMO.

PZZ

**lilelvis2000** · 21 July 2009, 15:41

Umm..wasn't there a court rules a while back about resticting job advertisments? I think it was on the lines that you could not exclude someone merely because they required a work permit?

I might be wrong though.

Edit: found the link
http://www.clickliverpool.com/busine...-law-firm.html

**expat** · 21 July 2009, 16:00

Originally posted by pzz76077 View Post

750 pw approx 40K pa that is the going rate for a PM that is qualified but not too experienced (the role does not ask for x years experience).

This role may not be for you but many new entrants into IT with little or no experience would jump at a chance like this.

PZZ

Your point would be valid were it not for shoddy arithmetic.

1. the lower end of the quoted range is £114/day, or £570/week, not £750.

2. £750 per week contract rate is not the equivalent of a £40k salary. Not no way never nothin' like it. At best, if you stay in work all the time, you should calculate 52 weeks - 2 weeks public holidays - 5 weeks time off (OK you might not take it, but equally a permie might get paid in lieu of it, which would be a fair comparison) = 45 weeks' billing = max £33750. Co income, not salary. Take it all as salary and it's £29920 gross salary, after Employer's NICs.

That's a like-for-like comparison, if you stay in work 100%, and don't care about sick leave, m/paternity leave, training, pension,....

3. The lower end would come out to £22739. MacDonalds graduate trainee pays £24000.

**mace** · 21 July 2009, 16:19

Originally posted by Numpty View Post

I'm fed up with this kind of thing:

If you are also fed up of seeing advertised roles paying silly low rates that you just know are paying lip service to the rules regarding overseas workers, you can report them.

The PCG set up this: the ICT Abuse web site.

What follows is heavily edited for the CUK audience - follow the link above for more detailed info, especially on daily rates.

The (current) process for complaining:

If you see a job for:

any project manager role at under £156 / day
any developer role at under £104 / day
any support role at under £104 / day

take a screenshot and send the evidence as a screenshot (do not send links as they expire) to [email protected] with “ICTABUSE” in the subject line. Shortcut.

search engine keywords: Intra Company Transfers ICT abuse of ICT information how to complain complaints complaining

As far as I'm aware there is no "going rate" for a job in IT. If a client feels that he is in much needing of cheapness then it's his lookout. At the end of the day, if you put up barriers a lot of companies are global and will just move the work to India anyway. UK government issues visas because they reckon that it's a good deal as a "much cheapness" isn't entitled to benefits when it all goes tulip as it has now. Working for a cheapskate client won't do wonders for your CVs in any case.

**pzz76077** · 21 July 2009, 16:33

Originally posted by expat View Post

Your point would be valid were it not for shoddy arithmetic.

1. the lower end of the quoted range is £114/day, or £570/week, not £750.

2. £750 per week contract rate is not the equivalent of a £40k salary. Not no way never nothin' like it. At best, if you stay in work all the time, you should calculate 52 weeks - 2 weeks public holidays - 5 weeks time off (OK you might not take it, but equally a permie might get paid in lieu of it, which would be a fair comparison) = 45 weeks' billing = max £33750. Co income, not salary. Take it all as salary and it's £29920 gross salary, after Employer's NICs.

That's a like-for-like comparison, if you stay in work 100%, and don't care about sick leave, m/paternity leave, training, pension,....

3. The lower end would come out to £22739. MacDonalds graduate trainee pays £24000.

However you cut it, its still not a bad package for a newbe PM in an industry that are traditionally low payers and have had a definite policy of employing staff from overseas for decades.

Cant see there is much to shout about here, there are plenty of other situations that are (eg BT employing so many TecMaridna ICT's while making 30,000 staff redundant at the same time) that seem to go unnoticed but do far more damage to UK contracting and employment alike.

PZZ

Intra Company Transfer (ICT) abuse: information and complaining