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Some thoughts from employer's point of view

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    Some thoughts from employer's point of view

    Now that SKA is successful enough to employ IT people other than myself and potential for further expansion very soon, and given that today I don't work (I usually do Sundays but not today), I've decided to post a few thoughts regarding future IT contractor use in SKA project.

    Our options for core IT work:
    1) Hire local contractor
    2) Hire permanent local employee
    3) Outsource work
    4) Get foreign permanent employee

    I'll start from the end:

    4) Don't want to take chances right now, in any case it would have to be exceptional person

    3) We don't outsource core IT work, maybe website design competition but nothing that requires full-time attention

    2) Got very good one (worked before), very lucky - might get another one if we are lucky, then we'd have to look for more risky options

    1) IT contractors

    Some work might require a specialist who'd put in some days to do the job - say networking setup, firewall etc - that's fine, rates can be high but I understand economic principle behind it: occasional work would have to cost a lot because the person who does it won't have it full-time, ie like a taxi driver or maybe a plumber. So contractors are a way to go in this.

    Now let's talk full-time core work.

    First of all I don't like the idea of someone without commitment - I don't want a guy who'd work with us some month and then bogs off elsewhere, that would be waste of our time as we'd have to teach that person our custom stuff, and also I don't like the idea of people learning all that and them moving elsewhere.

    Secondly there is cost - if that person works full time, then they are essentially a permie, yet the price charged is based on a model that implies occasional use. Even taxies have got lower price if you go more than X miles, perhaps that should be reflected in contracts?

    What I think we have here is that some good people realised that they are actually pretty good and their chances of being out of work are low, so they went contracting because it allowed to charge "taxi prices", but without drawbacks of taxi - waiting for work (recession is exception). Essentially this resulted in a depletion of a "permie" pool and acted as a force to make employers get contractors instead.

    Should one be suprised that businesses did not like this economic model? I am for one not.

    Will SKA Inc ever hire IT contractors? Yes, but only for occasional work just like I occasionally use taxis, but I would not be using taxi every day - it's cheaper to buy a car.


    #2
    Cars are expensive in the long run, especially if you can't just get rid of them when you like. Imagine having to make a car redundant?! Imagine having to have a 'consultation' with your car at its local garage where you explain it may not be needed "going forward"... Add a big pay-off and possibly getting sued, plus inevitable bad press, maybe information leaks, and the picture doesn't look so rosy.

    Stick to contractors, you know it's for the best
    Cats are evil.

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      #3
      Originally posted by swamp View Post
      Cars are expensive in the long run
      It depends on a car and how long you use it: if you choose it carefully it works out really well long term, that's when depreciation is not that important.

      Imagine having to make a car redundant?! Imagine having to have a 'consultation' with your car at its local garage where you explain it may not be needed "going forward"...
      And you think it would be easier to do to a contractor who was on site for years? I think not, not for me at least. In any case it would be a fk up of the management, contractor or not.

      From cynical company point of view (which I don't share) employees don't have job security - they can be easily fired, worst case scenario is 3 months "consultation" with pityful state redundancy. There is no "permanent" employment in this country anymore, and you know that well.

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        #4
        Part of the problem lies where mentioned earlier - some contracting rates are stupidly high. This is partly attributable to the time-scales, laziness and stupidity of employers who aren't clued up enough to be flexible with CV bulltulip or allow an amount of training a clued-up IT temp could do beforehand, and also in using agents that push prices up 20 or 30%. It shouldn't really be that much more cost effective to hire a permie over a contractor.

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          #5
          It's pointless moaning about the relative expense of contractors vs permies. Contractors are operating in an open market.

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            #6
            If you have need of someone long-term, working on the same project/codebase, then yes of course an employee who will invest in your company's ethos is a great idea. I can't believe that would come as a shock to anyone.

            BTW: outsourcing long-term work can still be sensible, if it's not in an area that you have experience in. For instance, you might find you have on-going web-development work that could tie 2 people up full-time for a few months once or twice a year.
            Last edited by d000hg; 27 September 2009, 20:19.
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              #7
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              Now that SKA is successful enough to employ IT people...

              Our options for core IT work:

              1) IT contractors

              First of all I don't like the idea of someone without commitment

              Secondly there is cost
              Thank you for taking the time and trouble to come back on to this contractors' web site to slag us off.

              Now your work here is complete, why don't you go away again? You are wasting your first day off in months.

              PS taxis, not taxies
              My all-time favourite Dilbert cartoon, this is: BTW, a Dumpster is a brand of skip, I think.

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                #8
                I wish contracting were as you described.

                I always wanted it to be thus:

                - company has some work to be completed (e.g. bunch of stored procs that need coding)
                - person is selected to do it (few days to a few weeks)
                - price is agreed - enough to be profitable for a freelancer but not a burden for company
                - work is completed.
                - Repeat for next client

                Unfortunately clients tend to want more and impose very permie style restrictions such as set times at client site and permie type meetings, nights out, team building, contracts based on duration rather than being task specific.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by RichardCranium View Post
                  Thank you for taking the time and trouble to come back on to this contractors' web site to slag us off.

                  Now your work here is complete, why don't you go away again? You are wasting your first day off in months.

                  PS taxis, not taxies
                  Take a bow son.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by RichardCranium View Post
                    Thank you for taking the time and trouble to come back on to this contractors' web site to slag us off.

                    Now your work here is complete, why don't you go away again? You are wasting your first day off in months.
                    WHS +1
                    Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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