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milanbenes
14th October 2009, 12:45
afternoon all,

doing .net at blue chip household name companies I've seen a lot of internal procedures in large companies for things like, getting Users, getting port openings, getting disk space, getting load balancer configs etc etc

and it always amazes me that the procedures and processes in these big companies are more strict than trying to get like planning permission for a house

consequently, i am always amazed at the man hours wasted on following these draconian internal procedures in large organisations and the cost it must present to the bottom line

which strikes me that there must be an opportunity for some bright spark to go and speak to big companies at board level and explain that their internal procedures, their little empires are costing zillions in lost man hours and that they should employ business consultants to come in and rationalise all internal procedures

massive opportunity for somebody


Milan.

MPwannadecentincome
14th October 2009, 12:52
hmmm really, most of these processes have been put in place to demonstrate complaince in some form or other or to "reduce risk" in some way.

Agreed they add little value or do not always work - hence the banking crisis, but going to the board with a message like that without saying how compliance rules and risk monitoring and management needs careful thinking about!

Having said that I'm glad I'm not working in a big co right now, however the chaos around me when I got here showed that some order needs to be put into place, all done with a softly softly approach so far.

Diestl
14th October 2009, 12:54
afternoon all,

doing .net at blue chip household name companies I've seen a lot of internal procedures in large companies for things like, getting Users, getting port openings, getting disk space, getting load balancer configs etc etc

and it always amazes me that the procedures and processes in these big companies are more strict than trying to get like planning permission for a house

consequently, i am always amazed at the man hours wasted on following these draconian internal procedures in large organisations and the cost it must present to the bottom line

which strikes me that there must be an opportunity for some bright spark to go and speak to big companies at board level and explain that their internal procedures, their little empires are costing zillions in lost man hours and that they should employ business consultants to come in and rationalise all internal procedures

massive opportunity for somebody


Milan.

Yeah just let anyone change anything... The rules are there for a reason, security being one.

milanbenes
14th October 2009, 13:06
i guess you lot have not worked in larger companies

agreed rules for a reason, but having been there and seen it,

there are a lot of procedures that could be rationalised

but then again, contractor.... who cares eh

who cares how long it all takes, longer the better, delays == good for contractors

so the conclusion is gentlemen, shutup and get on with fixing .net :-)

Milan.

Bunk
14th October 2009, 13:16
i guess you lot have not worked in larger companies

agreed rules for a reason, but having been there and seen it,

there are a lot of procedures that could be rationalised

but then again, contractor.... who cares eh

who cares how long it all takes, longer the better, delays == good for contractors

so the conclusion is gentlemen, shutup and get on with fixing .net :-)

Milan.

:spel changing the tapes

thunderlizard
14th October 2009, 13:23
they should employ business consultants to come in and rationalise all internal procedures

That's how they got there in the first place.

milanbenes
14th October 2009, 13:33
I guess it's all Mckinsey's fault.

Milan.

TinTrump
14th October 2009, 13:33
Milan, I've worked for big companies and understnad your comment. But I currently work for a company which has grown v. quickly and now has a turnover around £75M. The lack of prcocesses scares the crap out of me somethimes. Its production lines are wasteful and inventory levels too high. Not only is it dysfunctional with no clear picture of its cash flow, but I'm sure some unscrupulous person could siphon off money without too much difficulty. I half expect to discover such malfeasance any day now.:eek:
I'm sure there's a happy medium but robust processes are exactly what I urgently need right now.
That nand anothor glass of that red I had at lunchtinme. :freaky:

I'll try and get back to work now. :wave:

Scary
14th October 2009, 13:37
I'm sure some unscrupulous person could siphon off money without too much difficulty.

Big company, big opportunities ;)

gingerjedi
14th October 2009, 14:00
i guess you lot have not worked in larger companies

agreed rules for a reason, but having been there and seen it,

there are a lot of procedures that could be rationalised

but then again, contractor.... who cares eh

who cares how long it all takes, longer the better, delays == good for contractors

so the conclusion is gentlemen, shutup and get on with fixing .net :-)

Milan.

You've just described the EDS global business plan.

Spacecadet
14th October 2009, 14:56
i guess you lot have not worked in larger companies

agreed rules for a reason, but having been there and seen it,

there are a lot of procedures that could be rationalised

but then again, contractor.... who cares eh

who cares how long it all takes, longer the better, delays == good for contractors

so the conclusion is gentlemen, shutup and get on with billing :-)

Milan.


:spel

Pondlife
14th October 2009, 15:19
i guess you lot have not worked in larger companies

agreed rules for a reason, but having been there and seen it,

there are a lot of procedures that could be rationalised


And who would benefit from benes consulting knowledge?

The process is like that because it's in everyones interest (except the shareholder) for it to be so.

You want a new access added so you fill in the required web form and it gets sent to a line manager. Line manager will sit on it for a couple of days as they are an important person and don't have time for this.:rolleyes:

They will then question your access request to show their importance.:rolleyes:

It then goes to the SOx compliance team to check the role for that user doesn't break any segregation of duty rules - if they didn't do that, they would have no reason to exist :rolleyes:

It then goes to the outsourced support team for implementation but of course they have an agreed SLA with Big Co and so will work to it. :rolleyes:

In the mean time, knowing this has just added 20% to my project duration and so I am happy to support in any way I can. :cool:

simples

threaded
15th October 2009, 05:13
afternoon all,

doing .net at blue chip household name companies I've seen a lot of internal procedures in large companies for things like, getting Users, getting port openings, getting disk space, getting load balancer configs etc etc

and it always amazes me that the procedures and processes in these big companies are more strict than trying to get like planning permission for a house

consequently, i am always amazed at the man hours wasted on following these draconian internal procedures in large organisations and the cost it must present to the bottom line

which strikes me that there must be an opportunity for some bright spark to go and speak to big companies at board level and explain that their internal procedures, their little empires are costing zillions in lost man hours and that they should employ business consultants to come in and rationalise all internal procedures

massive opportunity for somebody


Milan.

It gets better than that, in many companies there are only a select group who know how to go about getting things done and who to call. They are the gatekeepers. The normal user will often fill in a form and then find absolutely nothing happens, and then need to escalate until it reaches someone high enough.

Interesting observation I've made as it's often part of my job, finding who these guys who do stuff are, and finding where their office is and you may have noticed this yourself: they change office location at quite a higher frequency than other staff, or are placed at a remote location.