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Durbs
31st October 2009, 00:31
I have pandered to Mrs Durbs animal needs over the years. We have at the moment house full of cats, fish and guinea pigs (with various other creatures coming and going over the years) i've finally decided i'm going to get what i've always wanted - a dog.

I've very little experience with dogs, having grown up in a cat family (and having had everything from snakes, lizards and hamsters since) so what is a good breed to look for?

I grew up in a pretty rural place so am used to collies but know from experience that farm dogs can range from lovely to insane within the same breed so am after:

- Big'ish dog, at least collie sized, none of these shitty little toy dogs my mates seem to have
- Likes exercise but not to the extent of some of the nutter collies i've known
- I've 2 kids under 5, so nothing even remotely aggresive, needs to be good with kids

Any dog people with any tips? Basically, i'd like a farm collie but know from experience that it'd be a bad idea so what comes close?

Halcyon
31st October 2009, 00:44
You know the answer, you need a black lab.

Ours was a "failed" gun dog, so very well trained, but the most amazing family dog, would be as happy walking for hours in the rain as catching a pheasant as letting kids try and ride him like a horse.

Durbs
31st October 2009, 00:49
letting kids try and ride him like a horse.

I like that bit and add it as requirement 4! Black Lab is a good dog.

Was just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligence_of_Dogs and was really surprised at No 2.

Zippy
31st October 2009, 01:21
I love Weimeraners but you have to be very firm with them as they are so big. The two I've known have been great with cats, strangers and kids (and very good natured) but they were trained from birth.
Maybe what you need is a collie crossed with someting chilled like a lab? Have a look round a local rescue centre and tell them what you are after - I'm sure they'll have a lovely mutt to suit.

realityhack
31st October 2009, 01:33
Steer clear of collies, spaniels or terriers, you're after a hound. But not a bloodhound or foxhound. I have a mate who breeds dogs and has taken many a sire to Crufts. PM me some more detailed requirements and I can come back to you with a range of options.

We'll be doing the same soon, as we (I) plan to get a dog.

Durbs
31st October 2009, 01:53
you're after a hound.

I'd looked at Greyhounds, not normally what you'd consider but looks like they make a very good family dog.

Just been looking at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound and this bit:

"Greyhounds do shed but do not have undercoats and therefore are less likely to trigger people's dog allergies (they are sometimes incorrectly referred to as "hypoallergenic")." caught my eye - i'm allergic to cat hair (great, seeing as i live in a house full of cats) so thats a big bonus.

Was assuming a rescue animal as all our animals have come via that route but with a dog i'm debating a puppy so it has time to acclimatize to the cats/kids.

Toolpusher
31st October 2009, 01:59
Growing up as a kid, my family had two dogs (not at the same time). We rescued both of them from the dog pound as puppies for the cost of a donation. Both were mutts - the first a cross between a border collie and a small spaniel, and the second a cross between a black lab and something small and very muscular.

They were both great companions.

EternalOptimist
31st October 2009, 03:43
Hows about a fighting dog ?


You are unwise to lower your defenses (http://static.open.salon.com/files/darth-vader-dog-costume1216862662.jpg)

DaveB
31st October 2009, 12:05
Just wanted to put a word in for Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Absolutely wonderful dogs, especially with children. They *do not* deserve the rep they have got from being owned by idiot chav's who think they are hard and then dump them when they realise they are actually more likely to lick you to death than try and bite anyone.

The are loyal, obedient and exceptionally patient, especially with kids, and have skin like a rhino that will take anything small children can throw at them without blinking.

They are short haired, so low maintenance and havea relaxed attitude to exercise. They will love it when available but don;t get stressed if not walked every day.

You might also think about going to your local rescue center. Most will have a whole variety of dogs needing a home and you may well end up with a breed you never considered to begin with as well as giving an abandoned animal a new home.

AtW
31st October 2009, 12:06
Traitor! Stick to cats!!! :mad

shoes
31st October 2009, 12:11
What's wrong with collies?

Ruse
31st October 2009, 12:38
Just wanted to put a word in for Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Absolutely wonderful dogs, especially with children. They *do not* deserve the rep they have got from being owned by idiot chav's who think they are hard and then dump them when they realise they are actually more likely to lick you to death than try and bite anyone.

The are loyal, obedient and exceptionally patient, especially with kids, and have skin like a rhino that will take anything small children can throw at them without blinking.

They are short haired, so low maintenance and havea relaxed attitude to exercise. They will love it when available but don;t get stressed if not walked every day.

You might also think about going to your local rescue center. Most will have a whole variety of dogs needing a home and you may well end up with a breed you never considered to begin with as well as giving an abandoned animal a new home.

Are you serious ? I wouldn't let one of my kids within a mile of any dog that is capable of this:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1309601.ece

There are plenty of breeds that would never do this even if maltreated.

realityhack
31st October 2009, 12:44
What's wrong with collies?
Very high maintenance.

That is, if you're going to look after it properly.

They can be super-hyper if they're not kept exercised, or don't have a large garden/field to run about in. They're not what I'd call a calm family dog.

Having said that, there are exceptions, as with most things. Staffies are lovely - agree with DaveB there.

realityhack
31st October 2009, 12:46
Are you serious ? I wouldn't let one of my kids within a mile of any dog that is capable of this:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1309601.ece

There are plenty of breeds that would never do this even if maltreated.
I'm sorry, but in the vast majority of cases, it's the owner - not the dog - that needs putting down.

SizeZero
31st October 2009, 16:08
There are plenty of breeds that would never do this even if maltreated.

Not true - all dogs are pack animals and are capable of this. There are many more stories of Staffs actually keeping children from harm (I believe my mother's staff jumped to stop me falling into an open fire as a toddler), but those never make good stories for the quality newspapers you seem to read.

nomadd
31st October 2009, 16:12
...i've finally decided i'm going to get what i've always wanted - a dog.

...I've very little experience with dogs

...dogs can range from lovely to insane

..Big'ish dog



http://www.the-sextape.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/katie-price_jordan.jpg

Nomadd

Paddy
31st October 2009, 16:27
Hows about a fighting dog ?


You are unwise to lower your defenses (http://static.open.salon.com/files/darth-vader-dog-costume1216862662.jpg)

Last week I listened to a conversation between to contractors boasting about who had the dog that had bitten the most people! I didn’t think that people like this existed.

EternalOptimist
31st October 2009, 16:29
Last week I listened to a conversation between to contractors boasting about who had the dog that had bitten the most people! I didn’t think that people like this existed.

The world is full of sad, twisted , sick individuals.
stick around






:rolleyes:

mudskipper
31st October 2009, 17:34
I'd also recommend a black Labrador - ours was quite happy to be dressed in pyjamas and wheeled around in a dolls' pram. Not sure what it did for his street cred though...

Ruse
31st October 2009, 17:47
Not true - all dogs are pack animals and are capable of this. There are many more stories of Staffs actually keeping children from harm (I believe my mother's staff jumped to stop me falling into an open fire as a toddler), but those never make good stories for the quality newspapers you seem to read.

LOL, it was the first one to come up on Google. We had a Red Setter when I was a child and it had been terribly treated and abused by the previous owner. It was the most docile and affectionate dog, never once even tried to bite anyone.

But perhaps you prefer these, yes lovely dogs:



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-dies-after-bite-from-staffordshire-bull-terrier-1605370.html

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Witness-39too-traumatised39-to-talk.1955451.jp

Muttley08
31st October 2009, 18:16
Springer Spaniels are a lot of fun...thought of getting a rescue dog as well? You know you're doing a good deed...and better than buying some overbred weakling from an obsessive Barbara Woodhouse type :)

Sysman
1st November 2009, 17:23
You know the answer, you need a black lab.

Ours was a "failed" gun dog, so very well trained, but the most amazing family dog, would be as happy walking for hours in the rain as catching a pheasant as letting kids try and ride him like a horse.

WHS. I like the bit about getting a gun dog, as the training is very good. You do need to keep an eye on them if you live near a river or lake as they'll be in like a shot. Not recommended for canal boat trips :D

Definitely don't get a Spaniel. Not only can they be nervous wrecks (Springer Spaniel) but a friend had one (Cocker Spaniel) which got jealous of their new born baby and went for it.

Muttley08
1st November 2009, 17:57
WHS. I like the bit about getting a gun dog, as the training is very good. You do need to keep an eye on them if you live near a river or lake as they'll be in like a shot. Not recommended for canal boat trips :D

Definitely don't get a Spaniel. Not only can they be nervous wrecks (Springer Spaniel) but a friend had one (Cocker Spaniel) which got jealous of their new born baby and went for it.

Ey? Any dog can be a nervous wrecks...springers are gun dogs...and cocker's are generally no problem...any dog can be a problem - it's the owners who make the difference...

Lockhouse
1st November 2009, 21:26
Hot dog.

HairyArsedBloke
1st November 2009, 21:32
This sounds like a Plan B to me.

You'll have to bid for the website (http://www.morganmedia.co.uk/namesforsale/whatdog.html).

Platypus
1st November 2009, 22:06
Another vote for a black lab :happy

OwlHoot
1st November 2009, 23:09
Still no definitive answer, so let's try another tack.

They say dogs look like their owners. So what do you look like? A bulldog? Basset Hound? Poodle maybe?

Come to think of it, now there are cartoonizers (http://www.zwinky.com/dl/index.jhtml?spu=true&partner=ZJxdm348&ac=2&acid=3926952011&mtid=1&theme=cartoon), why not have a caninizer? A site where you upload a mugshot of yourself and it selects a dead ringer of a mutt tailored to your physiognomy?

NickFitz
2nd November 2009, 02:06
That dog over there. Nick it while the owner's in the Co-op. She'll never catch up with you on that mobility scooter anyway.