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    In the UK you are only allowed to call yourself a Doctor if you have been through medical school, an Architect is a legally restricted term by law but yet Engineer can be placed on to anyone.

    I believe the use of Engineer is protected in Germany in a similar way to the manner Doctor and Architect is in this country where you have to have gained a degree in the subject.

    Sadly anyone can call themselves an Engineer in this country, maybe why Germany still has an engineering ability.

    #2
    I couldn't agree more.

    However, it takes more than a degree to make a good engineer as one day you may find out - assuming you can keep your head out of your arse long enough.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Churchill View Post
      I couldn't agree more.

      However, it takes more than a degree to make a good engineer as one day you may find out - assuming you can keep your head out of your arse long enough.
      Lol meeeeeeeow!
      "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. "


      Thomas Jefferson

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        #4
        Originally posted by minestrone View Post
        In the UK you are only allowed to call yourself a Doctor if you have been through medical school, an Architect is a legally restricted term by law but yet Engineer can be placed on to anyone.
        Wrong I'm afraid. Doctors are not actually doctors, usually. But PhD's are.

        I really didn't want to get involved in the dr debate since the qualification is not always recieved well in this arena. Seen as snobbish and whatever. Well you can see the batchelor/non-bachelor bitchy-ness already.

        This link explains the position from a medical doctors point of view.

        http://blogs.ft.com/mccartney/2009/03/05/doctor-doctor/

        As for the Engineer debate, yes strange in this country that most of society became engineers, whereas on the continent it is restricted and doesn't do any of us any favours.


        Please don't have a go for any gramma or spellin cus I is recovering from major man flu at the min.

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          #5
          Project Manager.

          That one is reserved only for the most special of numpties.

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            #6
            Originally posted by conned tractor View Post
            Wrong I'm afraid. Doctors are not actually doctors, usually. But PhD's are.

            I really didn't want to get involved in the dr debate since the qualification is not always recieved well in this arena. Seen as snobbish and whatever. Well you can see the batchelor/non-bachelor bitchy-ness already.

            This link explains the position from a medical doctors point of view.

            http://blogs.ft.com/mccartney/2009/03/05/doctor-doctor/

            As for the Engineer debate, yes strange in this country that most of society became engineers, whereas on the continent it is restricted and doesn't do any of us any favours.


            Please don't have a go for any gramma or spellin cus I is recovering from major man flu at the min.
            My best mate is a Dr by way of a Chemistry PhD, and the wives cousin is one by way of some other PhD - both use the title Dr.

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              #7
              Germans love their titles, quite a few of the people I've worked with are called Doctor something or other and they have it on their business cards and doors even if its only a numpty doctorate or from a numpty college. The best are those with multiples and they call themselves Professor Doctor Doctor TwatWithHeadStuckUpArse, I just call them Herr soAndso to wind them up. I'm tempted to put a few on my CV just to see if they'll call me Doctor
              Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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                #8
                A person with a Medical Degree and who has taken the Hippocratic oath is a Doctor, a person with a PhD is a person with a doctorate, there is a big difference and I have to say anyone with a doctorate that refers themselves as Dr outside of their business has a terribly over inflated ego. I worked with someone with a PhD recently who when asked if he was a doctor said 'yes, but not a real one'. He just uses Mr.

                Anyway, I know a Doctor with a PhD, I also know someone with an honorary doctorate that uses Dr.

                As for Engineer, there should be a restriction on the use of the term until you have passed a recognised degree in the subject, one that is recognised by the Engineering Council. This is what happens in Germany, unfortunately I will have to deal with a sales Engineer when I head down to Tesco metro later.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                  A person with a Medical Degree and who has taken the Hippocratic oath is a Doctor ...
                  Ironically surgeons and medical specialists tend to be called just "Mr".

                  Also, conjurors and Punch and Judy show operators are entitled to call themselves "Professor".
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                    #10
                    Doctor and Engineer might be abused titles, but surely no more abused than "Master", which pretty much all of us use in one form or other (Master, Mr, Mrs, Miss and Ms). All definitions of Master in the dictionary indicate power or skill or qualification, and yet it's the default title for every one of us from birth to death.

                    Basically, all titles, including Master and its variants, are entirely archaic and pointless (unless required to identify rank while serving in the military or a similar organisation).

                    Titles before and initials after a name are just a self-aggrandisement thing. OK, a Doctor or a Professor or an Engineer or a Lawyer have all studied hard for their qualifications, but many other trades and skills require just as much commitment and hard work to achieve professional standard, and they don't have some poncy title in front of their names.

                    But titles are totally ingrained in society. Try getting your title removed completely from documents and correspondence. A lot of the time it's actually technically impossible because the field is required by IT systems and the operator has to enter something, usually from a list of preset options.

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