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Ruse
13th November 2009, 17:11
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/

"Activision Blizzard has sold a record 4.7 million copies of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 in North America and Britain alone, taking in $310 million (¤208.5 million). The game was released on Tuesday. Chris Cullen from Surrey, above, was the first UK customer to buy it, having waited for 23 hours in camouflage outside HMV at London’s Trocadero"

At least it keeps them locked up in their bedrooms for the next month and means the rest of us don't have to mix with them. But if they want to run around with guns and get frequent adrenalin rushes why don't they sign up and get themselves over to Afghanistan, plenty of that kind of excitement there.

thunderlizard
13th November 2009, 17:15
having waited for 23 hours in camouflage outside HMV at London’s Trocadero

well I never saw him.

Board Game Geek
13th November 2009, 17:16
No different to football saddoes, golf saddoes, board game saddoes, reality TV saddoes, programming saddoes, cricket saddoes, or indeed anyone else who enjoys a hobby with passion.

You don't really have a point to make.

thunderlizard
13th November 2009, 17:18
oh, saddo! I thought he actually meant "sado" & was going to point out that strictly, he was acting more like a masochist than a sadist.

Ruse
13th November 2009, 17:23
No different to football saddoes, golf saddoes, board game saddoes, reality TV saddoes, programming saddoes, cricket saddoes, or indeed anyone else who enjoys a hobby with passion.

You don't really have a point to make.

The point is that spending 10 hours a day in front of a screen living your life vicariously through an invented screen character is not much of a life. Personally I would prefer to get out their and live my own life. But each to their own.

Spacecadet
13th November 2009, 17:23
why don't they sign up and get themselves over to Afghanistan, plenty of that kind of excitement there.

Not quite
1. In Afghanistan you can't shout for a rematch after getting shot in the head (several times in one day)

2. In Afghanistan you don't get told to turn that damn thing off and get ready for school

3. Actual warfare is at least 90% tedium

gingerjedi
13th November 2009, 17:35
The point is that spending 10 hours a day in front of a screen living your life vicariously through an invented screen character is not much of a life. Personally I would prefer to get out their and live my own life. But each to their own.

Are you stereotyping gamers? I manage to ride bikes, cook, change nappies, and use a .50 cal to headshot from 400m... 733t skillz.:smokin

Churchill
13th November 2009, 17:37
Are you stereotyping gamers? I manage to ride bikes, cook, change nappies, and use a .50 cal to headshot from 400m... 733t skillz.:smokin

All this from the comfort of your armchair, eh?

Board Game Geek
13th November 2009, 17:38
Are you stereotyping gamers? I manage to ride bikes, cook, change nappies, and use a .50 cal to headshot from 400m... 733t skillz.:smokin

It did appear to be.

The irony is, that gamers could be justified in seeing others in the same way, eg, men crying at football matches.

Ruse
13th November 2009, 17:41
Are you stereotyping gamers? I manage to ride bikes, cook, change nappies, and use a .50 cal to headshot from 400m... 733t skillz.:smokin

I probably am, but if you read my original post it is about a guy who dresses up in camouflage gear and helmet and waits for 23 hours outside a shop in Picadilly Circus to buy a disc. So I'm not talking here about an average gamer who plays for a couple of hours at a time...

rhubarb
13th November 2009, 17:42
But each to their own.

Yes, exactly.

Board Game Geek
13th November 2009, 17:43
I was in the good old US of A some years ago, in Penn State and my host asked me if I wanted to go hunting with him in the forest to bag some deer.

He showed me the "gun cabinet". More like a blimming armoury store (he was ex-mil).

I declined, as I didn't really see a need to go shooting bambi's just for the sake of it.

He wouldn't take no for an answer however, and tried to goad me to play out in the yard with the Magnum to "feel the power".

I refused, saying I had a shocking headache and needed to get back to the hotel for work the next day.

Gun's may be fun virtually, but IRL they are blimming dangerous and not toys, not even for "sport".

Now swords...that's a different story....<looks up at the collection on the walls>

Board Game Geek
13th November 2009, 17:46
I probably am, but if you read my original post it is about a guy who dresses up in camouflage gear and helmet and waits for 23 hours outside a shop in Picadilly Circus to buy a disc. So I'm not talking here about an average gamer who plays for a couple of hours at a time...

Fair point.

Credit to the fella though. There is not enough eccentricity about in this dull day and age. We need to encourage it, not censure it.

Ruse
13th November 2009, 17:51
I was in the good old US of A some years ago, in Penn State and my host asked me if I wanted to go hunting with him in the forest to bag some deer.

He showed me the "gun cabinet". More like a blimming armoury store (he was ex-mil).

I declined, as I didn't really see a need to go shooting bambi's just for the sake of it.

He wouldn't take no for an answer however, and tried to goad me to play out in the yard with the Magnum to "feel the power".

I refused, saying I had a shocking headache and needed to get back to the hotel for work the next day.

Gun's may be fun virtually, but IRL they are blimming dangerous and not toys, not even for "sport".

Now swords...that's a different story....<looks up at the collection on the walls>

Yes those good old Yankee boys really like their guns, don't they. But I think I would have been happy to fire off a few rounds at a safe target, can't see the harm in that.

I used to go out with my Dad from a very young age, he'd just grab the shotgun, stick the Red Setter in the car boot and we'd drive off to spend a few hours walking around the countryside with him taking the odd pot shot at a pheasant or two.

TimberWolf
15th November 2009, 17:40
I missed out on the Call Of Duty series. Should I get Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2, or start with an earlier and cheaper version? Bearing in mind I have a decent PC and graphics card, but not extreme high end.

Board Game Geek
15th November 2009, 17:57
Timberwolf : Go for the previous Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare first, since the story line in Modern Warfare 2 continues on, albeit a few years later.

Plus the previous version is less graphics card intensive. Even my 2 year old rig, with 4GB RAM and a 768MB overclocked GPU struggles with the new version at times.

gingerjedi
15th November 2009, 18:00
I missed out on the Call Of Duty series. Should I get Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2, or start with an earlier and cheaper version? Bearing in mind I have a decent PC and graphics card, but not extreme high end.

Get CoD2 first, even though the others are excellent it would be a shame to miss out on the WWII setting.

As for MW2 I've just finished a mission where I was fighting through various burger and taco restaurants in some out of town shopping district, it was pure adrenalin start to finish without leaving the sofa... I'm bloody knackered!

Board Game Geek
15th November 2009, 18:05
As for MW2 I've just finished a mission where I was fighting through various burger and taco restaurants in some out of town shopping district, it was pure adrenalin start to finish without leaving the sofa... I'm bloody knackered!

Aye, did that this morning. Without giving out any spoilers, it's all gone to hell in a handbasket, hasn't it ?

Oh, and it gets worse.

A lot worse.

Happy gaming !

NickFitz
15th November 2009, 18:11
well I never saw him.

See that bin (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=51.510255,-0.133547&spn=0,359.995419&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.510147,-0.133247&panoid=9guoQbcADXBG7aF0UrSbVg&cbp=12,43.1,,1,12.56)? :smokin

gingerjedi
15th November 2009, 18:22
Aye, did that this morning. Without giving out any spoilers, it's all gone to hell in a handbasket, hasn't it ?

Oh, and it gets worse.

A lot worse.

Happy gaming !

*****SPOILER ALERT******

What are your thoughts on the airport scene? I'm not sure it was entirely necessary to have it play out the way it did? I certainly wasn't comfortable playing it. Apparently the German version has it included but has a different outcome should you decide to go along with your comrades, I can't see why that wouldn't work for every version?

I can't help but think it was included to deliberately court controversy as there's no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to sales figures, IMO it doesn't help much to promote gaming as a mature media though.

TimberWolf
15th November 2009, 18:26
*****SPOILER ALERT******

What are your thoughts on the airport scene? I'm not sure it was entirely necessary to have it play out the way it did? I certainly wasn't comfortable playing it. Apparently the German version has it included but has a different outcome should you decide to go along with your comrades, I can't see why that wouldn't work for every version?

I can't help but think it was included to deliberately court controversy as there's no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to sales figures, IMO it doesn't help much to promote gaming as a mature media though.

Is the gameplay that immersive and realistic?

Board Game Geek
15th November 2009, 18:41
*****SPOILER ALERT******

What are your thoughts on the airport scene? I'm not sure it was entirely necessary to have it play out the way it did? I certainly wasn't comfortable playing it. Apparently the German version has it included but has a different outcome should you decide to go along with your comrades, I can't see why that wouldn't work for every version?

I can't help but think it was included to deliberately court controversy as there's no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to sales figures, IMO it doesn't help much to promote gaming as a mature media though.

I'd like to consider the airport scene from a number of perspectives.

In the context of the game, it exists to explain that you need to win the confidence of the leader, and that sacrifices have to be made. In other words, it's a moral conundrum that demonstrates that not everything in life is in black and white, and neither is it in the game either.

The game doesn't, and could never, say whether it's morally right or wrong to murder hundreds of innocents, in order to potentially save millions. There's no easy answer to that one.

What the game does do, is put you in this situation, and leave you, the player, to make the decision yourself.

I decided in the context of the game, and the story, that I would do what was asked of me.

I rationalised that the few would have to be sacrificed to save the many.

All I could do, was ensure that the suffering was kept to an absolute minimum, and go for kill shots each time.

It didn't feel "good", during the episode, and I felt "uncomfortable", but neither was I morally outraged or appalled.

It opened my eyes to the harsh brutality of war in our modern age, and I applaud the game makers for introducing more nitty-gritty elements to the game that provoke thought.

On the other hand, I know of a few other gamers who have played that scene, and they joked and laughed about it, saying how cool it was to chase injured people and shoot them slowly.

That sickened me. They completely missed the point of the scene. I suspect they also play GTA and run over grannies for laughs as well.

For me, there was nothing humourous in that scene. It was sad, but the only way to get through it was to suppress all emotion, wear a "different mask", kill mercifully, and think "1 innocent dead, but another 1000 saved" over and over again.

I don't think they were out to court controversy, seeing as they warned the owners of the game several times about the content, and gave them plenty of chances to cut out the scene.