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Clippy
14th November 2009, 17:13
I watched part of the first episode when it came out but it wasn't what I expected so I stopped watching.

Anyway, it goes on to become a critically acclaimed series. :emb

The SciFi channel recently showed the two pilots again which I have Sky+'d but it doesn't look like they are going to follow it up with the subsequent series.

So, obvious question, is it worth watching the pilots?

HairyArsedBloke
14th November 2009, 17:29
Er, wot?

Are you talking about Caprica (http://www.syfy.com/caprica/)? That is scheduled to start in January 2010.

'The Plan' was good too. It makes me want to watch the whole thing again, but that was probably 'the plan' too. :laugh

Clippy
14th November 2009, 17:44
Er, wot?

Are you talking about Caprica (http://www.syfy.com/caprica/)? That is scheduled to start in January 2010.

'The Plan' was good too. It makes me want to watch the whole thing again, but that was probably 'the plan' too. :laugh

No.

Like I said, Battlestar Galactica (http://www.scifi.co.uk/shows/battlestar-galactica/).

minestrone
14th November 2009, 18:28
Yes, it was very good, I have the DVDs, it kind of stalled a bit in later series for stories but never dropped in quality massively like 24 or Lost.

I would say watch the pilots as they are good in their own right. They were never made to be pilots in the traditional sense.

centurian
14th November 2009, 18:31
Er, wot?

Are you talking about Caprica (http://www.syfy.com/caprica/)? That is scheduled to start in January 2010.

'The Plan' was good too. It makes me want to watch the whole thing again, but that was probably 'the plan' too. :laugh

Not convinced about Caprica. The problem with any prequel - is that you already know how it ends...

With a good plot, scripting and acting, they might pull it off though, so I'll give it a chance.

norrahe
14th November 2009, 19:16
Very good. Keep watching.

jmo21
14th November 2009, 20:12
I gave up on it in series 2.

Too much religious type nonsense, and it got soooo boring!

norrahe
14th November 2009, 20:17
I gave up on it in series 2.

Too much religious type nonsense, and it got soooo boring!

it got better

DiscoStu
14th November 2009, 20:50
I just finished watching it (did all 4 series in about 3 weeks!) and loved it.

In addition, Starbuck is hot.

HTH

Board Game Geek
14th November 2009, 20:56
I found the religious-type nonsense well written, because it provoked thought about parallels with our own world.

It showed you how insidious religion and the sky fairies are, how it preys upon people, and ultimately rules their lives.

DiscoStu
14th November 2009, 21:01
I found the religious-type nonsense well written, because it provoked thought about parallels with our own world.

It showed you how insidious religion and the sky fairies are, how it preys upon people, and ultimately rules their lives.

In addition, Starbuck is hot :D

Board Game Geek
14th November 2009, 21:06
In addition, Starbuck is hot :D

Oh yes, I forgot to mention.

Starbuck is hot.

Thank you for the reminder.

BolshieBastard
14th November 2009, 21:07
Think you mean the Battlestar Galactica mini series. It wasnt a 'pilot.'

First shown as two 2 hour programmes, the mini series (so called cos it was shown as four 1 hour shows in the US) was very very good.

The actual follow up series was considerably weaker imo although a couple of episodes from each season were quite good. They tried to tie the end up quite well when they finally reached Earth, some 150,000 years in our past.

But then they spoilt it right at the end by insisting there was a 'god' and 'he' had input to mankind's survival. 6 and Baltar being 'angels' just added to the overall insult.

So no, stick with the mini series. The story is far more tight and the imposing music adds the the tension.

DiscoStu
14th November 2009, 21:08
Oh yes, I forgot to mention.

Starbuck is hot.

Thank you for the reminder.

No worries.

Did I mention Starbuck is hot?

DiscoStu
14th November 2009, 21:09
Think you mean the Battlestar Galactica mini series. It wasnt a 'pilot.'

First shown as two 2 hour programmes, the mini series (so called cos it was shown as four 1 hour shows in the US) was very very good.

The actual follow up series was considerably weaker imo although a couple of episodes from each season were quite good. Spolilers removed


So no, stick with the mini series. The story is far more tight and the imposing music adds the the tension.

Please remove your spoilers for anyone who hasn't watched it yet!

BolshieBastard
14th November 2009, 21:10
Please remove your spoilers for anyone who hasn't watched it yet!

****s sake the series ended 12 months ago.

DiscoStu
14th November 2009, 21:11
****s sake the series ended 12 months ago.

Clippy hasn't watched it yet, hence him posting! Any need to spoil the entire series if he plans on watching it?

BolshieBastard
14th November 2009, 21:13
Clippy hasn't watched it yet, hence him posting! Any need to spoil the entire series if he plans on watching it?

Oh and Data 'dies' in ST:Nemesis.

Come on. Galactica is all over the net.

DiscoStu
14th November 2009, 21:17
Oh and Data 'dies' in ST:Nemesis.

Come on. Galactica is all over the net.

Nice to see you can be arsed to show some consideration for other people :rolleyes:

Clippy
14th November 2009, 22:03
Clippy hasn't watched it yet, hence him posting! Any need to spoil the entire series if he plans on watching it?

Cheers, but the twunt has succeeded.

VectraMan
14th November 2009, 22:04
In addition, Starbuck is hot :D

But not as hot as Boomer.

minestrone
14th November 2009, 22:22
But not as hot as Boomer.

Yes, she was much hotter. I did tend to debate the subject quite a bit but always came back to the same opinion that boomer was the hotest.

norrahe
14th November 2009, 23:54
Starbuck, kills Adama in the library with the candlestick.

Apollo is responsible for bleeding radiators.

and btw Starbuck - hot????? purleeese are you into butch lesbos?????????

norrahe
14th November 2009, 23:55
But not as hot as Boomer.

if ya like stick inescts :tired

Incognito
15th November 2009, 00:52
I thought it was good

DiscoStu
15th November 2009, 08:23
and btw Starbuck - hot????? purleeese are you into butch lesbos?????????

Maybe :p

Board Game Geek
15th November 2009, 08:51
and btw Starbuck - hot????? purleeese are you into butch lesbos?????????

Starbuck ? Lesbo ?

OMG...this just gets better and better..

minestrone
15th November 2009, 09:08
I found the religious-type nonsense well written, because it provoked thought about parallels with our own world.

It showed you how insidious religion and the sky fairies are, how it preys upon people, and ultimately rules their lives.


I think the religious stuff did become a bit of a filler in many of the eposides. It pretty much became the main story for too long.

Board Game Geek
15th November 2009, 09:43
I think the religious stuff did become a bit of a filler in many of the eposides. It pretty much became the main story for too long.

I think, respectfully, that you were missing the point.

That was the main underlying story, as opposed to the original BG which was just about survival against a technologically superior enemy.

Had BSG:Reimagined followed the same route, I doubt it would have had the same success as the original.

When viewed from a different angle, the new BSG provoked more thought, I found. Halo and I spent many an after-episode, discussing the themes underlying the show and their significance and parallels to real world religion.

It's a bit like saying "I Claudius, bah. Hardly any action at all, all they did was talk about politics and stuff."

BSG may be about survival, but there are much deeper themes underpinning the whole series, which is why it was so successful, and these themes are not merely window-dressing and given scant consideration, but are actively pursued and focussed upon.

It's rare for a syndicated show of that calibre to delve so deeply, and those that do tend to pay "lip service" to more serious backgrounds. Here the new BSG excelled and served up a full course menu, IMHO.

minestrone
15th November 2009, 10:12
I think, respectfully, that you were missing the point.

That was the main underlying story, as opposed to the original BG which was just about survival against a technologically superior enemy.

Had BSG:Reimagined followed the same route, I doubt it would have had the same success as the original.

When viewed from a different angle, the new BSG provoked more thought, I found. Halo and I spent many an after-episode, discussing the themes underlying the show and their significance and parallels to real world religion.

It's a bit like saying "I Claudius, bah. Hardly any action at all, all they did was talk about politics and stuff."

BSG may be about survival, but there are much deeper themes underpinning the whole series, which is why it was so successful, and these themes are not merely window-dressing and given scant consideration, but are actively pursued and focussed upon.

It's rare for a syndicated show of that calibre to delve so deeply, and those that do tend to pay "lip service" to more serious backgrounds. Here the new BSG excelled and served up a full course menu, IMHO.

The religious stuff never really went anywhere, never really had a conclusion, just something to add to the script, the writers went down that route and I think they just regretted it, the series was tied up in rather shambolic circumstances.

**** SPOILERS ****

The whole Baltizar thing, he was head of science then president then the religious stuff comes in and he is in charge of a religious cult down in the bowels of the ship. First role was good, second role was a natural progression then the third role was "ehh, he is a really good actor but where do we put him now?"

The religious stuff was good up to a point but then it started to drive the story a wee bit too much.

Still, I am a fan and these comments are more thoughts than criticisms.

HairyArsedBloke
15th November 2009, 10:19
Now see what you lot have done.

I've gone and downloaded those two episodes overnight. Do I, a) get on with the work I need to finish, b) take advantage of the clear sky and get some exercise with a good long walk, or c) sit and watch those episodes.

Come to think of it, I didn't need to download them as I might have them already.

HairyArsedBloke
15th November 2009, 18:05
c)

And good it was too.

OrangeHopper
15th November 2009, 18:57
I thought the religious stuff was a main component of the overall story. Artificial life needing to believe in a God.

Another obvious theme was the inhumanity of humans.

Oh, and yes, I thought Starbuck has something special.

minestrone
15th November 2009, 19:12
**** spoilers ****



I think the question of if the cylons could have a god was a central theme in later series but the Baltizar creating his own religion was kind of pointless. That story line was never resolved, maybe that was the point, origional religions spawning derivative cults. It could have meant something but I do not think it really did.

threaded
15th November 2009, 19:21
Oh, and yes, I thought Starbuck has something special.

Chicks into guns. It's normal. You grow out of it. So I'm told.

TimberWolf
15th November 2009, 20:12
Does anyone remember Buck Rogers. More specifically Erin Gray (http://www.star-collector.net/autographs/eringray.jpg) when she was trying to escape by crawling through a tunnel of some kind with a skin tight uniform on? Me neither. Beedlee, beedlee.

Board Game Geek
15th November 2009, 20:30
**** spoilers ****

...but the Baltizar creating his own religion was kind of pointless. That story line was never resolved, maybe that was the point, origional religions spawning derivative cults. It could have meant something but I do not think it really did.

+_+_+_+_ SPOILER ALERT +_+_+_+_

IIRC, Gaius Baltar didn't set out to create his own religion.

He was ushered to safety by 3 females, who wanted him to try and heal their sick children.

Events conspired to propel him, unwillingly, to become sort sort of Messianic figurehead of a new Cult, and Baltar, being an opportunistic survival rat of the first degree took full advantage of his elevation.

What you were witnessing here was the creation of a cult, in which the figurehead was far from perfect and yet worshipped abjectly by his followers.

It did lead me to wonder about our own world's parallel example, of Jesus and his disciples, and I believe that was the intent of the writers, to demonstrate that all a cult needs in order to flourish is a charismatic and intelligent indivividual, and faith and hope from the followers will do the rest.

When I rewatch those moments, I see clearly that Baltar is reluctant to start with, but then grows in to the role with gusto. Whether he really believes or not is another matter. The fact is, his followers believe.

So, no, I don't think the Baltar "cult" was a waste of time. It had something to say to those willing to listen.

minestrone
15th November 2009, 21:06
+_+_+_+_ SPOILER ALERT +_+_+_+_

IIRC, Gaius Baltar didn't set out to create his own religion.

He was ushered to safety by 3 females, who wanted him to try and heal their sick children.

Events conspired to propel him, unwillingly, to become sort sort of Messianic figurehead of a new Cult, and Baltar, being an opportunistic survival rat of the first degree took full advantage of his elevation.

What you were witnessing here was the creation of a cult, in which the figurehead was far from perfect and yet worshipped abjectly by his followers.

It did lead me to wonder about our own world's parallel example, of Jesus and his disciples, and I believe that was the intent of the writers, to demonstrate that all a cult needs in order to flourish is a charismatic and intelligent indivividual, and faith and hope from the followers will do the rest.

When I rewatch those moments, I see clearly that Baltar is reluctant to start with, but then grows in to the role with gusto. Whether he really believes or not is another matter. The fact is, his followers believe.

So, no, I don't think the Baltar "cult" was a waste of time. It had something to say to those willing to listen.

SPOILERS

The Baltar ( I was calling him baltizar, head still in the 70s ) plot was meant to be a precurser to him being one of the last cylons, implying that they could find god and that religion was a creation of imagination. Of course you will know they were told to rewrite the ending but that was what was meant to happen. In the end religion never had a part of the final story, they kind of shoe horned the series into finding earth.

Baltar was never meant to be Jesus, if he was he would have been killed. Jesus also came from nothing and was hated by the institution, baltar was the institution.

They built up the Baltar stuff not knowing how the series would end and in the end it was never used. JUst filler in the end but yes, he was meant to be the last cylon.

jmo21
15th November 2009, 22:19
I found the religious-type nonsense well written, because it provoked thought about parallels with our own world.

It showed you how insidious religion and the sky fairies are, how it preys upon people, and ultimately rules their lives.

I didn't need BG to tell me that......

jmo21
15th November 2009, 22:21
Also, was it that much of a success really?

HairyArsedBloke
15th November 2009, 23:30
Also, was it that much of a success really?

Nah, not really. Loads of shows have had discussions hosted by the United Nations (http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=30217&Cr=television&Cr1). Just like Eastenders has a regular spot on Thursday afternoon in the House of Lords.

I don't know why you lot are on about the religious stuff - in the US the last couple of seasons was regarded more as a political drama.