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Ruse
17th November 2009, 22:28
A week ago I had a technical interview with Prata Consultancy.

Part of it went like this:

Interviewer: What output do you get if you `echo ##` ?
Me: <thinking hard> I don't know apart from ## but I do know what you get if you `echo $$` and explain.

The interview then continues on with various other questions until it ends with this:

Interviewer: Ok that's all the questions do you have any questions ?
Me: Yes one what was the answer to echo ## ?
Interviewer: Ah yes, we asked the wrong question we meant to ask echo $$
Me: Hang up the phone and scream loudly.

Anyone else had similar ?

snaw
17th November 2009, 22:44
Can't say I've ever had anyone on a phone interview mix up their #'s and ?'s.

On reflection, don't think anything like that has ever came up, even in real life.

Although today I had some retard phone me up about our car that's on sale in autotrader and ebay call. I explained to him that the ebay price was xxxx which is a £1000 more than I listed it for on autotrader, so I'd probably be going with that. And he then tried to argue by saying, but in autotrader you had it at xxxx-£1000, so you're not wanting to sell it to me at that price?

FFS.

jmo21
17th November 2009, 22:48
Although today I had some retard phone me up about our car that's on sale in autotrader and ebay call. I explained to him that the ebay price was xxxx which is a £1000 more than I listed it for on autotrader, so I'd probably be going with that. And he then tried to argue by saying, but in autotrader you had it at xxxx-£1000, so you're not wanting to sell it to me at that price?

FFS.

I can see why he had trouble with it....

Halcyon
17th November 2009, 23:58
I can see why he had trouble with it....

WHS

I think one of the fundamentals of a deal is the offer price; best to make your mind up about that before you offer to contract, I don't think you can blame the other party for wanting clarification

Board Game Geek
18th November 2009, 08:03
WHS

I think one of the fundamentals of a deal is the offer price; best to make your mind up about that before you offer to contract, I don't think you can blame the other party for wanting clarification

WHS+1

scotspine
18th November 2009, 08:41
WHS+1

whs+1

oops. thread hijack. apologies to the op. a quick glance at the online users tells me he's not online just now so i *might* get away with it!

snaw
18th November 2009, 09:03
Fair enough, see your point but I would have still thought it would be clear to someone when I tell them that sorry, but I'm getting more for it by listing on ebay.

I would have been willing to sell it at my offer price, (Autotrader was always a contingency to get rid of it if ebay didn't come through), we just didn't think it would get as high as it did on ebay.

Not like I entered into an agreement with anyone on autotrader and reneged, I just listed it but I'm getting more through ebay.

TheFaQQer
18th November 2009, 09:14
WHS

I think one of the fundamentals of a deal is the offer price; best to make your mind up about that before you offer to contract, I don't think you can blame the other party for wanting clarification

Ah, but the advert in Autotrader was merely an invitation to treat and the caller was making an offer, which snaw was free to accept or reject. The advert wasn't an offer to sell at that price.

scotspine
18th November 2009, 09:17
A week ago I had a technical interview with Prata Consultancy.

Part of it went like this:

Interviewer: What output do you get if you `echo ##` ?
Me: <thinking hard> I don't know apart from ## but I do know what you get if you `echo $$` and explain.

The interview then continues on with various other questions until it ends with this:

Interviewer: Ok that's all the questions do you have any questions ?
Me: Yes one what was the answer to echo ## ?
Interviewer: Ah yes, we asked the wrong question we meant to ask echo $$
Me: Hang up the phone and scream loudly.

Anyone else had similar ?

i have had an agent ask me what 'asp' means and whether .net is the same thing as the internet :alien

Doggy Styles
18th November 2009, 09:22
i have had an agent ask me what 'asp' means and whether .net is the same thing as the internet :alienWhat's Apple's competing internet called then?

TheFaQQer
18th November 2009, 09:23
i have had an agent ask me what 'asp' means and whether .net is the same thing as the internet :alien

I hope that you explained that it was a kind of snake, made famous by Cleopatra.

There are lots of American interview examples that talk about C-pound because the septics call a # sign a pound.

thunderlizard
18th November 2009, 09:27
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

c:\>echo $$
$$


??

scotspine
18th November 2009, 09:30
What's Apple's competing internet called then?

pippin.net?

igmc

Andy2
18th November 2009, 09:33
What's Apple's competing internet called then?

jobs.net

thunderlizard
18th November 2009, 09:36
If there was an Apple internet, you'd only be able to get to it after reading 10 pages of terms and conditions. Then there would be 1 web page on it. It would look breathtakingly beautiful and have 1 button. The button would change shape slightly each quarter.

scotspine
18th November 2009, 09:37
..and of course it wouldn't be accessible from or programmable on PCs.

Spacecadet
18th November 2009, 09:38
..and of course it wouldn't be accessible from or programmable on PCs.

And all content would have to be Apple approved

OrangeHopper
18th November 2009, 09:39
..and of course it wouldn't be accessible from or programmable on PCs.

Damned right too!

scotspine
18th November 2009, 09:40
Damned right too!

ah, a mac person. how quaint ;)

how was the hook-dipping this year oh?

threaded
18th November 2009, 09:41
Ah, but the advert in Autotrader was merely an invitation to treat and the caller was making an offer, which snaw was free to accept or reject. The advert wasn't an offer to sell at that price.

WHS++

EternalOptimist
18th November 2009, 09:42
And there would be mind-numbing arguments about whether the Apple button was better than a Gates button

scotspine
18th November 2009, 09:42
Ah, but the advert in Autotrader was merely an invitation to treat and the caller was making an offer, which snaw was free to accept or reject. The advert wasn't an offer to sell at that price.

WHS++

i don't think that was ever in dispute.

threaded
18th November 2009, 09:43
WHS.

Please be more explicit for the benefit of the Lizardly community.

Thank you in anticipation.

echo $$
8961

stingman123
18th November 2009, 09:44
And all content would have to be Apple approved

and not support flash

Ruse
18th November 2009, 09:46
echo $$
8961

WHS
Unix not Windows.

threaded
18th November 2009, 09:46
and not support flash

Or allow you to plug Sanyo cameras.

(Or anyone else who won't pony up the 'license' fee / protection money)

Sanyo cameras used to work fine on Apple, but now they have code that specifically breaks if you do.

Ruse
18th November 2009, 09:51
whs+1

oops. thread hijack. apologies to the op. a quick glance at the online users tells me he's not online just now so i *might* get away with it!

Is this what you call a double-hijack, the thread has been hijacked by the second hand car sellers and now by the great Apple debate !

snaw
18th November 2009, 09:51
If there was an Apple internet, you'd only be able to get to it after reading 10 pages of terms and conditions. Then there would be 1 web page on it. It would look breathtakingly beautiful and have 1 button. The button would change shape slightly each quarter.

And anyone who dared to criticise it would get jumped on by a host of apple fanboy fanatics who absolutely know in their heart of hearts that apple is the one and only true religi.. computing technology. It's not just a tool, it's away of life.

b0redom
18th November 2009, 09:52
WHS.

Please be more explicit for the benefit of the Lizardly community.

Thank you in anticipation.

It prints the ID number of the current running process in PERL or Unix shell.

Spacecadet
18th November 2009, 09:53
And anyone who dared to criticise it would get jumped on by a host of apple fanboy fanatics who absolutely know in their heart of hearts that apple is the one and only true religi.. computing technology. It's not just a tool, it's away of life.

Would they be typing that from a Starbucks whilst sharing a skinny latte with Brad

Tingles
18th November 2009, 09:53
How good are Indians at interviewing?

Spacecadet
18th November 2009, 09:54
How good are Indians at interviewing?

On average probably no better or worse than any other nationality

Andy2
18th November 2009, 09:56
How good are Indians at interviewing?

higly technical interviews , straight from the manuals

Ruse
18th November 2009, 09:57
How good are Indians at interviewing?

Can't comment generally as that was my first and only experience.
But the way things are going in our industry it could be a regular event to get a gig in the UK soon...

Tingles
18th November 2009, 09:58
I just wanted to get the thread back on track - I have a compulsion to tidy up the threads.... I think I'm turning into the Rainman...

snaw
18th November 2009, 10:01
Is this what you call a double-hijack, the thread has been hijacked by the second hand car sellers and now by the great Apple debate !

We're just waiting for ATW to join in and enlighten us all on where we've gone wrong. Then the thread will be complete and it eventually with fall of the precipice of page 1. Probably forever.

TheFaQQer
18th November 2009, 10:14
We're just waiting for ATW to join in and enlighten us all on where we've gone wrong. Then the thread will be complete and it eventually with fall of the precipice of page 1. Probably forever.

:spel AtW

DaveB
18th November 2009, 10:38
WHS.

Please be more explicit for the benefit of the Lizardly community.

Thank you in anticipation.

the ECHO command is the same between Windows and UNIX. It sends it's argument to the standard output. ( The command line usually ).

The confusion here is with the way UNIX handles variables. To define a variable and send it to the standard output in unix you use

> foo=bar
> ECHO $foo
> bar

The trick with ECHO $$ is that Unix has a number of predetermined variables, set at shell and environment level that contain specific pieces of infomation.

$ is the variable name used to identify the ID of the currently running process. So 'ECHO $$' will return the current value of $. Others include :


$1 - $9 these variables are the positional parameters.

$0 the name of the command currently being executed.

$# the number of positional arguments given to this
invocation of the shell.

$? the exit status of the last command executed is
given as a decimal string. When a command
completes successfully, it returns the exit status
of 0 (zero), otherwise it returns a non-zero exit
status.

$$ the process number of this shell - useful for
including in filenames, to make them unique.

$! the process id of the last command run in
the background.

$- the current options supplied to this invocation
of the shell.

$* a string containing all the arguments to the
shell, starting at $1.

$@ same as above, except when quoted.


It's all further complicated by the distinction between SHELL and ENVIRONMENT variables ( SHELL variables only apply to the current shell, ENVIRONMENT variables apply to all Shells ) and the fact that a single user can run multiple shells all with different variables defined, at the same time, and switch between them at will.

Your turn now ZG. What is a NIXIE tube and why on earth would anyone eant to use them in a watch?

TheFaQQer
18th November 2009, 10:55
What is a NIXIE tube and why on earth would anyone eant to use them in a watch?

Don't know what one is, but the obvious two answers as to why use them as a watch are answered in the video:

1) Because you're a big fat beardy geek.

2) Because you like scaring Americans on planes who think you are going to blow it up.

DaveB
18th November 2009, 10:56
Don't know what one is, but the obvious two answers as to why use them as a watch are answered in the video:

1) Because you're a big fat beardy geek.

2) Because you like scaring Americans on planes who think you are going to blow it up.

I went and looked it up on Wikipedia. Was most dissapointed by the link to a "Split Flap Display". :smokin

TheFaQQer
18th November 2009, 11:06
I went and looked it up on Wikipedia. Was most dissapointed by the link to a "Split Flap Display". :smokin

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

scotspine
18th November 2009, 11:26
ah, a mac person. how quaint ;)

how was the hook-dipping this year oh?

??????

zeitghost
18th November 2009, 12:08
the ECHO command is the same between Windows and UNIX. It sends it's argument to the standard output. ( The command line usually ).

The confusion here is with the way UNIX handles variables. To define a variable and send it to the standard output in unix you use

> foo=bar
> ECHO $foo
> bar

The trick with ECHO $$ is that Unix has a number of predetermined variables, set at shell and environment level that contain specific pieces of infomation.

$ is the variable name used to identify the ID of the currently running process. So 'ECHO $$' will return the current value of $. Others include :


$1 - $9 these variables are the positional parameters.

$0 the name of the command currently being executed.

$# the number of positional arguments given to this
invocation of the shell.

$? the exit status of the last command executed is
given as a decimal string. When a command
completes successfully, it returns the exit status
of 0 (zero), otherwise it returns a non-zero exit
status.

$$ the process number of this shell - useful for
including in filenames, to make them unique.

$! the process id of the last command run in
the background.

$- the current options supplied to this invocation
of the shell.

$* a string containing all the arguments to the
shell, starting at $1.

$@ same as above, except when quoted.


It's all further complicated by the distinction between SHELL and ENVIRONMENT variables ( SHELL variables only apply to the current shell, ENVIRONMENT variables apply to all Shells ) and the fact that a single user can run multiple shells all with different variables defined, at the same time, and switch between them at will.


I thank you. :D


Your turn now ZG. What is a NIXIE tube and why on earth would anyone eant to use them in a watch?


A nixie tube is a long obsolete display technology invented in the 1950s.

It uses neon gas at low pressure in a thing that looks like a valve to display the numbers 0 to 9.

These are now rather popular for making clock displays. Probably because they're expensive.

As to why you'd want two in your wrist watch, I'm afraid it's beyond me.

Must take a lot of batteries to keep it going.

chef
18th November 2009, 12:34
that's all well and good talking about apples and indians and cars and whatnot but what we really want, nay NEED to know, is what AtW has had for lunch and what s the latest SKA news?

OrangeHopper
18th November 2009, 12:37
??????

See new thread.

cailin maith
18th November 2009, 12:37
We'll have to wait 366 days - he's gone silent hasn't he?

chef
18th November 2009, 12:39
but.. but ... what about SKA? and lunch reports? and all that opinionated knowledge.. I truly hope he comes back soon and tells us his thoughts, life is just not the same without the squirrel loving ruskie around.. ;)

Sysman
18th November 2009, 12:43
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

c:\>echo $$
$$


??


GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin9.0)
Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

echo $$
3946


Can anyone explain that? :confused:

OrangeHopper
18th November 2009, 12:51
GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin9.0)
Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

echo $$
3946


Can anyone explain that? :confused:

On the Mac you get ...

echo $$
760

Sysman
18th November 2009, 12:52
GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin9.0)
Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

echo $$
3946


Can anyone explain that? :confused:

Ah, Thanks Dave.

ps -ax |grep 3946
3946 ttys000 0:00.07 -bash