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    Modern Ouija board

    This is from the New York Times. I cant believe people fall for things like this to save lives.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/wo...s.html?_r=4&hp

    BAGHDAD — Despite major bombings that have rattled the nation, and fears of rising violence as American troops withdraw, Iraq’s security forces have been relying on a device to detect bombs and weapons that the United States military and technical experts say is useless.

    The sensor device, known as the ADE 651, from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Iraq has bought more than 1,500 of the devices.

    The small hand-held wand, with a telescopic antenna on a swivel, is being used at hundreds of checkpoints in Iraq. But the device works “on the same principle as a Ouija board” — the power of suggestion — said a retired United States Air Force officer, Lt. Col. Hal Bidlack, who described the wand as nothing more than an explosives divining rod.

    Still, the Iraqi government has purchased more than 1,500 of the devices, known as the ADE 651, at costs from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Nearly every police checkpoint, and many Iraqi military checkpoints, have one of the devices, which are now normally used in place of physical inspections of vehicles.

    With violence dropping in the past two years, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki has taken down blast walls along dozens of streets, and he contends that Iraqis will safeguard the nation as American troops leave.

    But the recent bombings of government buildings here have underscored how precarious Iraq remains, especially with the coming parliamentary elections and the violence expected to accompany them.

    The suicide bombers who managed to get two tons of explosives into downtown Baghdad on Oct. 25, killing 155 people and destroying three ministries, had to pass at least one checkpoint where the ADE 651 is typically deployed, judging from surveillance videos released by Baghdad’s provincial governor. The American military does not use the devices. “I don’t believe there’s a magic wand that can detect explosives,” said Maj. Gen. Richard J. Rowe Jr., who oversees Iraqi police training for the American military. “If there was, we would all be using it. I have no confidence that these work.”

    The Iraqis, however, believe passionately in them. “Whether it’s magic or scientific, what I care about is it detects bombs,” said Maj. Gen. Jehad al-Jabiri, head of the Ministry of the Interior’s General Directorate for Combating Explosives.

    Dale Murray, head of the National Explosive Engineering Sciences Security Center at Sandia Labs, which does testing for the Department of Defense, said the center had “tested several devices in this category, and none have ever performed better than random chance.”

    The Justice Department has warned against buying a variety of products that claim to detect explosives at a distance with a portable device. Normal remote explosives detection machinery, often employed in airports, weighs tons and costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. The ADE 651’s clients are mostly in developing countries; no major country’s military or police force is a customer, according to the manufacturer.

    “I don’t care about Sandia or the Department of Justice or any of them,” General Jabiri said. “I know more about this issue than the Americans do. In fact, I know more about bombs than anyone in the world.”

    He attributed the decrease in bombings in Baghdad since 2007 to the use of the wands at checkpoints. American military officials credit the surge in American forces, as well as the Awakening movement, in which Iraqi insurgents turned against Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, for the decrease.

    Aqeel al-Turaihi, the inspector general for the Ministry of the Interior, reported that the ministry bought 800 of the devices from a company called ATSC (UK) Ltd. for $32 million in 2008, and an unspecified larger quantity for $53 million. Mr. Turaihi said Iraqi officials paid up to $60,000 apiece, when the wands could be purchased for as little as $18,500. He said he had begun an investigation into the no-bid contracts with ATSC.

    Jim McCormick, the head of ATSC, based in London, did not return calls for comment.

    The Baghdad Operations Command announced Tuesday that it had purchased an additional 100 detection devices, but General Rowe said five to eight bomb-sniffing dogs could be purchased for $60,000, with provable results.

    Checking cars with dogs, however, is a slow process, whereas the wands take only a few seconds per vehicle. “Can you imagine dogs at all 400 checkpoints in Baghdad?” General Jabiri said. “The city would be a zoo.”

    Speed is not the only issue. Colonel Bidlack said, “When they say they are selling you something that will save your son or daughter on a patrol, they’ve crossed an insupportable line into moral depravity.”

    Last year, the James Randi Educational Foundation, an organization seeking to debunk claims of the paranormal, publicly offered ATSC $1 million if it could pass a scientific test proving that the device could detect explosives. Mr. Randi said no one from the company had taken up the offer.

    ATSC’s promotional material claims that its device can find guns, ammunition, drugs, truffles, human bodies and even contraband ivory at distances up to a kilometer, underground, through walls, underwater or even from airplanes three miles high. The device works on “electrostatic magnetic ion attraction,” ATSC says.

    To detect materials, the operator puts an array of plastic-coated cardboard cards with bar codes into a holder connected to the wand by a cable. “It would be laughable,” Colonel Bidlack said, “except someone down the street from you is counting on this to keep bombs off the streets.”

    Proponents of the wand often argue that errors stem from the human operator, who they say must be rested, with a steady pulse and body temperature, before using the device.

    Then the operator must walk in place a few moments to “charge” the device, since it has no battery or other power source, and walk with the wand at right angles to the body. If there are explosives or drugs to the operator’s left, the wand is supposed to swivel to the operator’s left and point at them.

    If, as often happens, no explosives or weapons are found, the police may blame a false positive on other things found in the car, like perfume, air fresheners or gold fillings in the driver’s teeth.

    On Tuesday, a guard and a driver for The New York Times, both licensed to carry firearms, drove through nine police checkpoints that were using the device. None of the checkpoint guards detected the two AK-47 rifles and ammunition inside the vehicle.

    During an interview on Tuesday, General Jabiri challenged a Times reporter to test the ADE 651, placing a grenade and a machine pistol in plain view in his office. Despite two attempts, the wand did not detect the weapons when used by the reporter but did so each time it was used by a policeman.

    “You need more training,” the general said.

    Riyadh Mohammed contributed reporting.

    #2
    Natural selection will fix this in time.
    My all-time favourite Dilbert cartoon, this is: BTW, a Dumpster is a brand of skip, I think.

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      #3
      "its device can find guns, ammunition, drugs, truffles, human bodies and even contraband ivory at distances up to a kilometer, underground, through walls, underwater or even from airplanes three miles high"

      If it can work out where to put the fix in this bit of code I am looking at...

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        #4
        What a bunch of skeptics !

        All you need to get good results is to use a little bit of faith.

        Ok, so sometimes the results are a bit off, but that's because something in the air confused the signal, eg, a dog fart or a pair of spiders copulating.

        These things are completely natural, and you have to accept that there is no such thing as a 100% success rate.

        Some bombs are going to get through, but then again, these are the 99% of bombs that always get through anyway, so don't beat yourselves up over that which was destined to be.

        Just use a little bit of faith and the magic will do the rest. A bit like religion really.

        ps..the wands contain real pixie dust, which is why they are so expensive.
        Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

        C.S. Lewis

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          #5
          Plan B

          Wouldn't it be funny if this was a Plan B for some contractor on this board - sell useless crap to he Iraqis at $60K a pop.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Naaarwich View Post
            Wouldn't it be funny if this was a Plan B for some contractor on this board - sell useless crap to he Iraqis at $60K a pop.
            Yeah, highly amusing until some top ranking General's wife and kids get blown to smithereens by an IUD, and he despatches a death squad to the UK for a little chat with the MD.
            Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

            C.S. Lewis

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              #7
              Originally posted by Board Game Geek View Post
              Yeah, highly amusing until some top ranking General's wife and kids get blown to smithereens by an IUD, and he despatches a death squad to the UK for a little chat with the MD.
              The Iraqi people are peace loving, they don't have death squads!

              A bit like the Germans didn't have death camps, that was them nasty Nazis!

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                #8
                The same company are now brining out the ADE 652 (UK Patronizer) which is an Anthropomorphic Global Warming detector device. A snip at £50k.

                The operator walks past a suspect global warming site, or a raised sea-level incident, holding the device, which looks like a coat hanger with some clothes pegs hanging off it. If it detects AGW , the hanger pointer swivels sharply to the left, if it detects natural GW , it swivels to the right. If no GW is detected it stays pointing straight ahead.
                Govt grants available




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                  #9
                  This is their site: http://www.ade651.com/ade651in.html

                  I reckon a 15 year old knocked that site up in about 10 minutes.

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                    #10
                    I think it's Kosher. If you click on the Effectiveness button, the screen lists countries apart from Iraq that have bought this device. They include China, Thailand and the Lebanon. Since it's been a while since the terrorists let off bombs in those countries....
                    I wonder if the inventor of this product ever went on Dragon's Den. That would have been a good episode!
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