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Mustang
20th November 2009, 11:05
Given their 2 recent decisions: a) seeding the playoffs and then b) refusing a re-match for Ireland/France, do you think FIFA have lost credibility?

Tarquin Farquhar
20th November 2009, 11:07
Given their 2 recent decisions: a) seeding the playoffs and then b) refusing a re-match for Ireland/France, do you think FIFA have lost credibility?Anything with France in it tends to lack credibility.

EternalOptimist
20th November 2009, 11:08
Anything with France in it tends to lack credibility.

I dont think it's been handled very well




:rolleyes:

Mustang
20th November 2009, 11:11
I dont think it's been handled very well




:rolleyes:

I understand the fact that the cant authorise the match to be displayed based on the fact that the ref didnt see anything. However, they could have handled it better and come out with a clear statement straight away. I think they have been taking a leaf out of Gordon Brown's book......!! :rolleyes:

PM-Junkie
20th November 2009, 11:35
I can still remember the Irish finding much amusement with the Maradona handball goal in the WC, so there's very little sympathy here.

minestrone
20th November 2009, 11:46
I can still remember the Irish finding much amusement with the Maradona handball goal in the WC, so there's very little sympathy here.

OK, we should all base our footballing decisions on what happned in one incident in one game 20 years ago?

It took about a day for one photo to prove maradonna handled the ball, I watched the game and it was never clear what happened from the TV pictures.

This incident is totally different.

EternalOptimist
20th November 2009, 11:50
OK, we should all base our footballing decisions on what happned in one incident in one game 20 years ago?

It took about a day for one photo to prove maradonna handled the ball, I watched the game and it was never clear what happened from the TV pictures.

This incident is totally different.

ha. from the people who remember every piddling incident going back hundreds of years, thats rich indeed.

haruummph!


:rolleyes:

minestrone
20th November 2009, 11:54
ha. from the people who remember every piddling incident going back hundreds of years, thats rich indeed.

haruummph!


:rolleyes:

What incident have I ever recalled on this forum that pertains to something 'going back hundreds of years'" Who are my people?

EternalOptimist
20th November 2009, 12:03
What incident have I ever recalled on this forum that pertains to something 'going back hundreds of years'" Who are my people?

Personally, I sympathise with the Irish. I think the game should be replayed and I think the rules should be changed. Not a video ref though, that would be too disruptive.
If the ref asked the player 'did you handle that' he should then make a note of the reply and allow the game to move on accordingly.
The player could then be tried later based on the video evidence, if he has been shown to have lied.



:rolleyes:

minestrone
20th November 2009, 12:04
Personally, I sympathise with the Irish. I think the game should be replayed and I think the rules should be changed. Not a video ref though, that would be too disruptive.
If the ref asked the player 'did you handle that' he should then make a note of the reply and allow the game to move on accordingly.
The player could then be tried later based on the video evidence, if he has been shown to have lied.



:rolleyes:

You missed the questions I see

:rolleyes:

gingerjedi
20th November 2009, 12:08
If the ref asked the player 'did you handle that' he should then make a note of the reply and allow the game to move on accordingly.
The player could then be tried later based on the video evidence, if he has been shown to have lied.


That's the best solution I've heard, knowing you could be banned for say a year would be incentive enough to come clean.

minestrone
20th November 2009, 12:24
Henry never lied though, fairly clear that he handled the ball and admited it.

gingerjedi
20th November 2009, 12:34
Henry never lied though, fairly clear that he handled the ball and admited it.

We know that but in EO's option the goal could have been disallowed.

minestrone
20th November 2009, 12:38
We know that but in EO's option the goal could have been disallowed.

He would have just given a garlic smelling shrug and ran away to his own half.

Nobody will ever have Henry banned.

Lockhouse
20th November 2009, 12:49
I don't blame the refs but the game is so quick these days and players so basically dishonest they need a video ref. The technology is there it just needs to be applied sensibly. With so much riding on games, even in The Premiership, I think it's a necessary evil.

swamp
20th November 2009, 13:48
If the English had been playing France last Wednesday instead of Ireland, would the Irish attitude be the same? No, they would be laughing their socks off. As well as the Scottish. And the Welsh.

Anyway, listen to what Roy Keane has to say about the matter (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm).

minestrone
20th November 2009, 13:53
If the English had been playing France last Wednesday instead of Ireland, would the Irish attitude be the same? No, they would be laughing their socks off. As well as the Scottish. And the Welsh.


Maybe, but it would not invalidate the validity of the claim of injustice.

Ruse
20th November 2009, 13:58
If the English had been playing France last Wednesday instead of Ireland, would the Irish attitude be the same? No, they would be laughing their socks off. As well as the Scottish. And the Welsh.

Anyway, listen to what Roy Keane has to say about the matter (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm).

Hardly surprising given his past history with the FAI, any opportunity to stick the knife in. And how much respect do you think any England fan would have for the opinion of a player who walked out on their team in the actual course of a World Cup campaign, they would never be able to play in the Premiership again.

Very funny though when he is telling off the journo whose phone is ringing. :laugh

Oh and to correct all your preconceptions I will be supporting England now that Ireland are out.

swamp
20th November 2009, 14:10
I don't remember the FAI asking for a replay after this incident when Robbie Keane handled the ball in the area followed by Ireland receiving a ridiculous penalty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9fx4ipF4Q

What short memories those FAI have! :rollin:

Doggy Styles
20th November 2009, 15:43
Can't have a replay - nearly every match played these days would have some recourse to the same action, which would be silly.

Doggy Styles
20th November 2009, 15:48
Punishment after the game would do Ireland no good. They are still out. Even if Henry is banned for 100 years, executed, chopped up and his body parts thrown into TPD.

Video technology must be used during the game, using the three wrong appeal system if necessary to prevent spurious claims. It is the only way to get a correct result from the game, there and then, that no-one can argue with.

swamp
20th November 2009, 16:02
Punishment after the game would do Ireland no good.

No, not after the Georgia game when Robbie Keane handled the ball in the box. Ireland would have been stripped of the points and probably would not have made the play-offs. France v Ireland would never have came to pass, and victory would not have been handed to France ;)

minestrone
20th November 2009, 16:41
No, not after the Georgia game when Robbie Keane handled the ball in the box. Ireland would have been stripped of the points and probably would not have made the play-offs. France v Ireland would never have came to pass, and victory would not have been handed to France ;)

So you are not willing to use video evidence.. then you are...

swamp
20th November 2009, 16:50
So you are not willing to use video evidence.. then you are...

I'm saying if video evidence was used then it wouldn't do Ireland any good in this situation because they have 'previous'.

Personally I'm against video evidence in football. I'd have another couple of linesmen in preference to technology.

minestrone
20th November 2009, 17:01
I'm saying if video evidence was used then it wouldn't do Ireland any good in this situation because they have 'previous'.

Personally I'm against video evidence in football. I'd have another couple of linesmen in preference to technology.

What good is video evidence when Eduardo gets away with a total blatent dive to get a penalty, 2 match ban then it gets rescinded.

You would have to be on drugs to see that was not a dive, what do you say to that?

Doggy Styles
20th November 2009, 17:47
I'm saying if video evidence was used then it wouldn't do Ireland any good in this situation because they have 'previous'.

Personally I'm against video evidence in football. I'd have another couple of linesmen in preference to technology.Two extra linesman is just adding two extra points of human error. Did you see the Fulham Roma game?:laugh

swamp
20th November 2009, 19:52
What good is video evidence when Eduardo gets away with a total blatent dive to get a penalty, 2 match ban then it gets rescinded.

Well I don't agree with video evidence. But the situation with Eduardo was more to do with setting legal precedent IIRC. UEFA jumped on the bandwagon, then realised they would have to punish every player who dived in every game in their juristiction, so they quietly slipped off the bandwagon.


You would have to be on drugs to see that was not a dive, what do you say to that?

I agree. And I don't know why Eduardo bothered because we clearly had the upper hand against a bunch of Scottish has-beens.

Luckily the referee at the Hibernian game wasn't taking any drugs when he gave Aiden McGeady his marching orders for diving (http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2009/08/31/the-sweeper-diving-controversy-comes-back-to-bite-celtic/). On this occasion your manager blamed "tiredness" for McGeady's deliberate attempt to cheat. :rolleyes:

Doggy Styles
20th November 2009, 21:52
I agree with this from Roy Keane.

He blames the Irish defenders for letting Henry get into that position in the first place. He says complaining about spilt milk is pointless.

He says cheating goes on all the time. He wants video technology to sort out problems there and then.

He also had a go at some FAI official, and at the interviewer for letting his mobile ring in the middle of the interview - disrespectful, he called it.

norrahe
20th November 2009, 23:14
In football whereby they haven't embraced the tv replay ethos as yet

The ref's decision is final, apparently....

FiveTimes
20th November 2009, 23:17
I agree with this from Roy Keane.

He also had a go at some FAI official, and at the interviewer for letting his mobile ring in the middle of the interview - disrespectful, he called it.

Thats nothing new for Keane to have a falling out with the FAI

FiveTimes
20th November 2009, 23:18
The ref's decision is final, apparently....

Correct - nothing will change and lessons wont be learnt from this. It was tough luck but they need to get over it

Sol4ever
21st November 2009, 01:50
I'm no friend of the FAI, but Roy Keane is trying to divert attention from the 2002 world cup when he throw the rattley out of the pram and split the team on the run up to the spain game, which was lost on penalties. It was the easiest to win world cup ever. He will never be forgiven for that.

Doggy Styles
21st November 2009, 10:27
I'm no friend of the FAI, but Roy Keane is trying to divert attention from the 2002 world cup when he throw the rattley out of the pram and split the team on the run up to the spain game, which was lost on penalties. It was the easiest to win world cup ever. He will never be forgiven for that.On the contrary, Keane left the squad before the world cup even started.

Ireland were inspired without him, qualified undefeated from a group including Cameroon and eventual finalists Germany, and did well to hold Spain to 1-1.

In the interview, Keane wasn't diverting attention, he has still got the hump over the poor management of the FAI, the poor training facilities they provided for the squad, and especially how they flew first class and the players cattle class.

SorenLorensen
21st November 2009, 10:45
Keane tells it like it is. Gotta love that.

Surely now though video evidence must come into play. Forget all this preciousness about the game, stop living in the past and use technology like every other sport on the planet!

Doggy Styles
21st November 2009, 12:30
Keane tells it like it is. Gotta love that.

Surely now though video evidence must come into play. Forget all this preciousness about the game, stop living in the past and use technology like every other sport on the planet!It's the only way.

Every other game is affected by key refereeing mistakes, whether it is diving, handball or offside. Refs need help.

Millions of people are able to watch an immediate replay of incidents.

So why perpetuate a system where the only three people in the world not allowed to use this evidence are the very people who actually make the decisions.

It is laughable, and stupid, especially when you consider what is often at stake. Imagine that principle being applied in other walks of life.