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    Left wing - Right wing

    There was a post today about the BNP not being right wing. Just watching Andrew Marr.

    Oswald Mosely was in the Labour Party.

    www.politicalcompass.org
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    There was a post today about the BNP not being right wing. Just watching Andrew Marr.

    Oswald Mosely was in the Labour Party.

    www.politicalcompass.org
    There is no doubting the leftwing nature of that website, the questions are so loaded!
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      #3
      The old one-dimensional categories of 'right' and 'left', established for the seating arrangement of the French National Assembly of 1789, are overly simplistic for today's complex political landscape.

      The BNP would be considered more left wing than labour - BNP wants more public ownership.

      http://www.politicalcompass.org/ - previously discussed here.

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        #4
        Back in the 60s/70s the election leaflets in London from the National Front and Labour were indistinguishable, apart from on the obvious topic. Lots of state control and distrust of foreign corporations. I think the only distinction that always applies between left and right is about belief in the concept of nationality.

        Saw Mosely interviewed once when he was an old man and he did come across as a moderate Labour party sort. Think it was ambition that fuelled the bloke in his heyday, he just said or did anything for power.
        Last edited by xoggoth; 25 November 2009, 21:54.
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          #5
          Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
          There was a post today about the BNP not being right wing. Just watching Andrew Marr.

          Oswald Mosely was in the Labour Party.

          www.politicalcompass.org
          I came across a similar comment on one of the UK political blogs sometime last year. The author encouraged reading the BNP manifesto to see how left wing they really were.

          I got bored in about the first paragraph so didn't bother with the rest, but it's probably worth a read if you want to know exactly where they stand.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Sysman View Post
            I came across a similar comment on one of the UK political blogs sometime last year. The author encouraged reading the BNP manifesto to see how left wing they really were.
            That proves it then. Since the New Labour manifesto is always quite different from what they do, and the Conservative manifesto also was quite different from what they did, then if the BNP manifesto says they're left wing, then they must be right wing.
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              #7
              Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
              There was a post today about the BNP not being right wing. Just watching Andrew Marr.

              Oswald Mosely was in the Labour Party.

              www.politicalcompass.org
              HAB:
              Economic Left/Right: 5.38
              Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

              Right in the middle of the bottom right quadrant.
              Last edited by HairyArsedBloke; 26 November 2009, 00:18. Reason: Added link to chart
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                #8
                The Nolan chart attempts to describe a more meaningful spectrum of political behaviour, referring to economic left (state controlled) and right (liberal markets) and authoritarian (large state controlled) and libertarian (small state, more personal freedom but emphasis on personal responsibilities).

                The BNP are an extremely authoritarian politic with mainly state controlled economic measures and, like the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, tend to be in the authoritarian camp with left economic tendencies. New Labour share similar left economic policies and similar authoritarian views although these are not necessarily mutually exclusive nor shared to the same degree.

                However, it is common urban parlance to refer to any authoritarian policy or politic as "right wing" which in todays modern politics, is often journalistic tokenism.
                Last edited by hyperD; 26 November 2009, 00:12.
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                  #9

                  There is no left wing or right wing.
                  There is only up wing or down wing.

                  - Bob Dylan, 1964

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                    #10
                    Meet the new boss
                    Same as the old boss


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                    My all-time favourite Dilbert cartoon, this is: BTW, a Dumpster is a brand of skip, I think.

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