Hrumph...

[PM-Junkie]

Further evidence that the lunatics have taken over the asylum ('scuse the pun):

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Quote...An asylum seeker who fatally struck a girl with his car then fled the scene has won the right to stay in the UK. Aso Mohammed Ibrahim, 31, of Blackburn, hit Amy Houston, 12, in 2003. He was later jailed for four months.

He faced deportation but successfully invoked human rights legislation granting him the right to a "family life" in the UK.

I wonder why these judges never seem to consider the "human rights" of the victims' families?

[shaunbhoy]

I expect they feel that allowing him to stay on in Blackburn is punishment enough!
They may have a point!

[AtW]

Why was he only jailed for 4 months? That is what actually caused further problem of him staying in UK - he should have gotten 15-20 years plus deportation (due to serious nature of crime as expressed in long sentence) seems in order.

[Diver]

Mohammed Ibrahim, 31, of Blackburn is a scumbag no matter what his nationality or status. he left that poor girl to die under the wheels of his car.
He has no consideration for others and none should be shown to him.

Either kill the likes of him off, or send them back where they came from and hope his countrymen do it for us. Slowly and painfully.

Hang that pathetic excuse for a judge too.

[Board Game Geek]

Hang that pathetic excuse for a judge too.

Assuming there was a jury of 12 good men and true, or whatever it is these days, surely they had an influence on the final decision ?

Or was it a case of the majority saying "He's guilty, M'lud" and then the Judge assigns an arbitary sentence at personal whim ?

Perhaps the Jury needs to be given the option of choosing a sentence, and once the majority agrees, the Judge has to follow suit.

So if the Jury said "Guilty, M'lud. Plus we commend the Defendant to serve at least 20 years in jail", then the Judge has to oblige.

If the Jury say "Guilty, and the Defendant is to be driven over 3 times by a car and left in the gutter", then the Judge has to oblige too. For human rights purposes, the Judge may append that hospital treatment is required afterwards if the Defendant survives. Can't upset the EU Human Rights brigade, after all.

[centurian]

Or was it a case of the majority saying "He's guilty, M'lud" and then the Judge assigns an arbitary sentence at personal whim ?

Yep. Pretty much how it works...

[Gonzo]

Assuming there was a jury of 12 good men and true, or whatever it is these days, surely they had an influence on the final decision ?

Or was it a case of the majority saying "He's guilty, M'lud" and then the Judge assigns an arbitary sentence at personal whim ?

That's essentially it.

If you have ever been on a jury you would agree that these people should not have any say when it comes to the sentencing.

[Diver]

=Board Game Geek;1032790]Assuming there was a jury of 12 good men and true, or whatever it is these days, surely they had an influence on the final decision ?

There was no Jury. It was a judge at an Immigration hearing, who had carefully considered the mans rights