Permie job offer: question

**aussielong** · 5 February 2010, 03:04

I think the best way is to thank them for their time but say its not worth the risk of moving for that package. Ask them to keep in touch and say you will be keeping in touch.

How much more are you asking for than they will do? 25%?

Would you be as considered if it was a contract you were applying for?

**MPwannadecentincome** · 5 February 2010, 15:41

Originally posted by aussielong View Post

I think the best way is to thank them for their time but say its not worth the risk of moving for that package. Ask them to keep in touch and say you will be keeping in touch.

How much more are you asking for than they will do? 25%?

Would you be as considered if it was a contract you were applying for?

Thanks for posting, this is pretty much what I will do if it comes to it. Total package is around 10% off what I would take to go permie, otherwise I might as well stay contracting. I'm not willing to go permie whilst they think they can get people cheap only to get 2% pay rises for the next 5 years.

Doing a contract is out of the question on this one I think, I had told them I would prefer a permie job to a contract in order to secure the job offer, I don't want them to think I was after a contract all along.

Cheers

**Drewster** · 5 February 2010, 15:45

Originally posted by MPwannadecentincome View Post

Thanks for posting, this is pretty much what I will do if it comes to it. Total package is around 10% off what I would take to go permie, otherwise I might as well stay contracting. I'm not willing to go permie whilst they think they can get people cheap only to get 2% pay rises for the next 5 years.

Doing a contract is out of the question on this one I think, I had told them I would prefer a permie job to a contract in order to secure the job offer, I don't want them to think I was after a contract all along.

Cheers

Tilt!!

but anyway.... 10% worth a punt at negotiation.... Shirley!

**BA to the Stars** · 5 February 2010, 15:46

Would you be tied in to the permie employer though? If you obtained a contract at a better rate than the permie package, then give notice and walk. It all depends how much you need the income at the moment and if you see this as a safe port during the recession.

**Bright Spark** · 5 February 2010, 15:47

just tell them your circumstances have changed and your not looking at
permie jobs now, make sometihing up like "I'm starting a new business
on the side", so in a years time you could go back and say well it didn't work
out that new business so I'm looking at permie jobs again. simples!

**DodgyAgent** · 5 February 2010, 15:49

Originally posted by MPwannadecentincome View Post

Is there a polite way of concluding the negotiations for a decent salary package where the company is unable to offer enough to attract their favoured candidate (me) without them thinking 'F*** him he's a greedy b****** I hope we don't come across him again!'?

The company will just not go above a certain figure I think simply because they feel there is a recession on they should be able to get someone 'cheap'.

The industry I operate in is a small one, by leaving a bad feeling about this word could get around to other players in the industry which could affect possible future gigs.

Rule of thumb 10% otherwise FIFO

**MPwannadecentincome** · 5 February 2010, 15:51

Originally posted by Drewster View Post

Tilt!!

but anyway.... 10% worth a punt at negotiation.... Shirley!

The 10% is where it has got to after 2 days of negotiation....

Originally posted by BA to the Stars View Post

Would you be tied in to the permie employer though? If you obtained a contract at a better rate than the permie package, then give notice and walk. It all depends how much you need the income at the moment and if you see this as a safe port during the recession.

Hmmm thing is my industry is small, word gets around, even if I don't take this offer I am likely to come across these people again in other jobs or contracts.

**Drewster** · 5 February 2010, 17:08

Originally posted by MPwannadecentincome View Post

Hmmm thing is my industry is small, word gets around, even if I don't take this offer I am likely to come across these people again in other jobs or contracts.

Obviously its your market and your "reputation" and if you have exhausted your wriggle room then it should be a simple calculation.....

Is the cost to your reputation worth the 10%?

ie +10% to get a rep as "awkward"
or Walk away to get a rep as "...... well that could be a lot worse if you could be portrayed as having agreed and then letting them down......."

Good luck with the calculation.......

**MPwannadecentincome** · 6 February 2010, 22:29

Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post

Rule of thumb 10% otherwise FIFO

WOT?

Originally posted by Drewster View Post

Obviously its your market and your "reputation" and if you have exhausted your wriggle room then it should be a simple calculation.....

Is the cost to your reputation worth the 10%?

ie +10% to get a rep as "awkward"
or Walk away to get a rep as "...... well that could be a lot worse if you could be portrayed as having agreed and then letting them down......."

Good luck with the calculation.......

Well I'm better off on my crummy reduced daily rate than taking the offer made to me for a permie post so, ho hum - lost it, but I think reputation on both sides are intact - other interviews are on their way through other opportunities.

If I had been on the bench I guess my perspective would have been different.

Permie job offer: question