• Visitors can check out the Forum FAQ by clicking this link. You have to register before you can post: click the REGISTER link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. View our Forum Privacy Policy.
  • Want to receive the latest contracting news and advice straight to your inbox? Sign up to the ContractorUK newsletter here. Every sign up will also be entered into a draw to WIN £100 Amazon vouchers!

Bully Revenue under siege on stealth tax

Collapse
X
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Bully Revenue under siege on stealth tax

    Before I go out tonight I thought I'd post this from last week's Sunday Times.
    A GROUP of Britain’s leading tax advisers is planning to lobby the Treasury in a campaign to curb the powers of the Revenue & Customs and protect small businesses from stealth taxes.

    The consultants, together with the Chartered Institute of Taxation, say action is needed after a Court of Appeal decision last week to reject Revenue efforts to force husband-and-wife companies to pay thousands of pounds more in tax.

    Last week, in a powerful note to institute members, Mike Warburton, senior tax consultant at Grant Thornton, accused the Revenue of "using its power and resources to bully a number of taxpayers into accepting their view of the legislation — not because they agreed, but because they could not afford to fight back. By picking on a soft target they nearly got away with it”.

    He fears that “the Treasury may try this on again with the next soft target they can think of”. He said it was the duty of the professionals to point out that small taxpayers need to be protected from such tactics.

    His demands include a guarantee from the Treasury that the Revenue must announce all tax changes in the Commons. He has the support of several tax consultants, including John Whiting of Price Waterhouse Coopers, who helped lead the charge against the Revenue’s attack on family firms.

    The row centres on a series of cases, exposed by The Sunday Times in April 2003, in which husband-and-wife limited companies were hit with surprise demands for back-tax on their business dividends.

    Geoff and Diana Jones got a bill for £42,000 on their IT business, Arctic Systems, as a result.

    Experts said that the Revenue was illegally using an obscure tax rule from the 1930s to increase tax collection by as much as £1.2 billion. But the Revenue said that its position had never changed.

    It had the tax experts baffled. They had never before seen the legislation used to attack small family firms. Accountants also panicked. For years they had recommended that husband-and-wife companies be structured this way. If the Revenue’s view had been upheld, they would have faced legal threats from firms and months of restructuring family businesses at vast expense.

    The case, in which the couple were supported throughout by the Professional Contractors Group, the trade association that started life four years ago as a lobby group to fight the controversial IR35 tax, soared from local level to the Court of Appeal before the Revenue’s claims were thrown out.

    The Revenue even resisted an unprecedented delegation of tax experts that last year went to its Somerset House headquarters to try to change its mind.

    Led by Whiting and Anne Redstone of Ernst & Young, the delegates came from leading organisations such as the Chartered Institute of Taxation, the Institute of Chartered Accountants and the Federation of Small Businesses.

    #2
    Originally posted by stackpole
    Before I go out tonight I thought I'd post this from last week's Sunday Times.
    It's a well written piece, and the point about hitting soft targets who cannot afford the legal costs to fight back is well made. I've been freelancing for 7 years now and I've found the IR to be very arrogant with absolutely no give (the term fascists comes to mind). HM Customs and Excise are pussy cats by comparison.

    Fungus

    Comment


      #3
      Now they've merged, I suppose we can expect the attitude of the IR with the power of HMCE...
      His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

      Comment


        #4
        Originally posted by Mordac
        Now they've merged, I suppose we can expect the attitude of the IR with the power of HMCE...
        Yup. I'm told that the HMC&E can force an (armed?) entry into your property.

        Fungus

        Comment


          #5
          Originally posted by Fungus
          Yup. I'm told that the HMC&E can force an (armed?) entry into your property.

          Fungus
          Yup, and they don't need to apply for a warrant either.

          Comment


            #6
            Last week, in a powerful note to institute members, Mike Warburton, senior tax consultant at Grant Thornton, accused the Revenue of "using its power and resources to bully a number of taxpayers into accepting their view of the legislation — not because they agreed, but because they could not afford to fight back. By picking on a soft target they nearly got away with it”.
            Interesting that when it comes to extracting taxes the Government leave no stone left unturned and no arm untwisted in their quest.

            Yet when it comes to awarding Major IT contracts to the likes of EDS, despite their dismal record ith Government IT contracts, there is simply no hesitation with NL awarding vast sums of hard working familys taxpayer money to EDS, despite being fined by the Government with recent contract failures.

            As to whether certain individuals within the NL Admin could be benefiting from this cosy arrangement, let me emphasise that nothing could be further from the truth.

            I do hope that the Conservative Party will take the opportunity to launch an extensive investigation into the probity and logic of this arrangement whereby EDS spectacular contractual failures are rewarded with even larger and more lucrative Government contracts, surely this is contrary to all business practice and logic ?

            Rahter than remain with my arms folded, I have alerted a senior Tory party member as to this sorry state of affairs , perhaps readers might also wish to alert their local Tory MP.
            Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 26 December 2005, 16:18.

            Comment


              #7
              Well I would but my local MP is currently linked to the Treasury and is a former Labour Whip, so I don't suppose for a moment I'd get very far.

              But for the hard of thinking, look up the relationship between Mapeley (who now own all HMRC's buildings) and EDS, work out the average valuation of the buildings sold off by HMRC to Mapeley (hint - about £200k each for mostly city-centre office blocks), and work out how much corporation tax Mapeley pay to the UK economy after they've paid the annual profit-related fees to their parent company back in the Cayman Islands.

              And people still say the old Tory party was sleazy...
              Blog? What blog...?

              Comment


                #8
                Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock
                Yet when it comes to awarding Major IT contracts to the likes of EDS, despite their dismal record ith Government IT contracts, there is simply no hesitation with NL awarding vast sums of hard working familys taxpayer money to EDS, despite being fined by the Government with recent contract failures.
                I don't think this is unique to New Lier. It's symptomatic of failings in the civil service.

                Fungus

                Comment


                  #9
                  Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock
                  Interesting that when it comes to extracting taxes the Government leave no stone left unturned and no arm untwisted in their quest.

                  Yet when it comes to awarding Major IT contracts to the likes of EDS, despite their dismal record ith Government IT contracts, there is simply no hesitation with NL awarding vast sums of hard working familys taxpayer money to EDS, despite being fined by the Government with recent contract failures.

                  As to whether certain individuals within the NL Admin could be benefiting from this cosy arrangement, let me emphasise that nothing could be further from the truth.
                  EDS are a pretty large US company, and I wonder if as in the UK they have a finger seemingly in every pie in the US. Maybe this curious compulsion of UK officials to keep giving them plum contracts goes deeper than personal gain and the politicians and civil servants know or believe that doing so has some kind of benefit for the UK as a whole (such as continuing access to US intelligence material?) if EDS prosper and somehow keep US politicians happy or have links to US intelligence agencies.

                  I know it sounds like a tenuous link, and Blair and co are busily screwing up any prospect of long term substantial US/UK intelligence cooperation, by cosying up ever closer to the EU. But I do wonder if there isn't some angle like that.
                  Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ here

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fungus
                    I don't think this is unique to New Lier. It's symptomatic of failings in the civil service.

                    Fungus
                    Perhaps Fungus, but its NL who endlessly try to take the high ground on, eg hard working taxpaying famlies, yet what about the hard working Business People, Entrepreurs who are being targeted to fianance the NL socialist programs?

                    I suppose in NLs eyes thats only fair, but I will not tolerate this latest blatant abuse of taxpayers funds by NL least we find ourselves on the slippery slope to State Socialism.
                    Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 26 December 2005, 18:07.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    X