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cojak
3rd March 2010, 09:22
Welcome to CUK! :wave:

If you have been lurking around CUK (and if you haven't I would recommend a glance in the professional forums AND General) you might have noticed one or two of the regular become a tad tetchy (or from your point of view, rude) over some of the threads that newbies have been posting lately. This might have stopped you from posting your own question for fear of getting flamed the same way.

Actually if you look more closely at many of the threads asking similar questions, you might also have noticed that this is not always the case. We will give full, helpful and occasionally encouraging advice without (apparent) rhyme or reason.

So I thought that I’d break it down to encourage newbies to ask questions without the regulars resorting to :suicide: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYOAiCf-80 or even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9TxwnPjB0U


The request/question. Generally the question can be broad general (“How are you finding the market?”), broad personal (“I need help with my CV”) or specific personal (“I gave my CV to an agent who changed it before sending it the client, what should I do?”). Decide which type is yours.
First look at the First-timers guide (https://www.contractoruk.com/first_timers) on this website; this ought to give you much of your initial information.
If your question is broad, first read the page of the forum you’re in – you’ll be amazed at how many general CV threads are started within minutes of each other – we can see that posters haven’t bothered looking. That irritates us.
If your question is slightly different, start a new thread that says "I've read in <original thread> blah, but I have a slightly different question..."
Now try your luck and use Search in both the forum and on the home page – you still might find what you are looking for.
If nothing comes up, now post your question (we can generally tell by the question whether you’ve done the 1st 4 steps, but not always so mention that you've looked.)
If your question is specific personal (such as the Grievance question in Accounts/Legal) – ask away. We will always try to help with these.


So basically, we will help where we can but we dislike lazy posting. If you find the above steps too much of a hassle, you deserve all you get.

HTH

PS - Using Google to search CUK:
1) Just add "site:forums.contractoruk.com" at the end of your search terms, and it will only look on here. (Ta, FAQQer).
2) To specify a particular forum add site:forums.contractoruk.com/forum-name eg "site:forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts" (Ta, NickFitz).

TheFaQQer
3rd March 2010, 09:49
:yay:


If your question is slightly different, add it to the bottom of a post that’s already there – that’s ok, it shows you’ve looked and we’ll respond happily.

I disagree - if the question is different, I prefer to see a new thread that says "I've read in <original thread> blah, but I have a slightly different question..."

It's too easy to get off topic if people put their slight differences (which turn out to be big differences) in other people's threads - which might upset the OP.

Might I suggest a sticky for this, admin?

cojak
3rd March 2010, 09:53
I disagree - if the question is different, I prefer to see a new thread that says "I've read in <original thread> blah, but I have a slightly different question..."

It's too easy to get off topic if people put their slight differences (which turn out to be big differences) in other people's threads - which might upset the OP.


Fair enoughski...

northernladuk
3rd March 2010, 12:07
Thats brilliant!!! LOL I likey I likey!! Music made my ears bleed after about 30 seconds though.

I love the line at the end of the vid 'Congratulations you are no longer a jerk' :rollin: Wonder if I can get away with that at one of my training sessions??

Thank you Cojak. Smashin post!! :hug:

cojak
3rd March 2010, 12:17
That was my very 1st attempt on music software and only 15 minutes at that! (I like to think it's a bit of an earworm, though...)

No expense spent! :laugh

northernladuk
3rd March 2010, 12:18
That was my very 1st attempt on music software and only 15 minutes at that!

No expense spent! :laugh

I don't mean to be rude, it is far and above anything I could even think of doing so very impressive but you know me, can't just give a plain compliment without a bit of a moan :eyes

lje
3rd March 2010, 12:20
I vote for this to be made sticky.

TheFaQQer
3rd March 2010, 12:30
That was my very 1st attempt on music software and only 15 minutes at that! (I like to think it's a bit of an earworm, though...)

No expense spent! :laugh

:spel 2nd, surely? I thought the first one had swearing :)

cojak
3rd March 2010, 12:30
:spel 2nd, surely? I thought the first one had swearing :)

Err - true...

TheFaQQer
4th March 2010, 09:13
As an additional piece of CUK netiquette - if your question relates to agent behaviour, it's worth reading this excellent post (http://forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts/47856-recruitment-agents-habitual-liars.html) first.

ratewhore
4th March 2010, 09:54
Just as an aside, when can a newbie consider themselves part of 'we'? And who are 'we', while I'm on the subject?

malvolio
4th March 2010, 12:16
If you have to ask... :tumble:

MarillionFan
4th March 2010, 12:24
Jacko

You should also point out that newbies are not allowed to post non-contractor or frivilous news related posts.

This is of course for the sole ownership of experienced contractors with nothing else better to do.

HTH

MF

cojak
4th March 2010, 14:58
Just as an aside, when can a newbie consider themselves part of 'we'? And who are 'we', while I'm on the subject?

'We' can be any responder....

But usually the FAQQer, NorthernladUK, and anyone else who has in the past responded to a question with :suicide:

cojak
4th March 2010, 15:01
'We' can be any responder....

But usually the FAQQer, NorthernladUK, and anyone else who has in the past responded to a question with :suicide:

I was beginning to feel sorry for some of the newbies who couldn't figure out the reasons for the flaming...

Glazza
4th March 2010, 21:21
Can I nominate Cojak as poster of the year for her selfless attitude? If not, how about the best avatar?

MarillionFan
5th March 2010, 17:37
:sick

cojak
11th March 2010, 10:59
Just add "site:forums.contractoruk.com" at the end of your search terms, and it will only look on here.

(Thanks FAQQer...)

xoggoth
18th March 2010, 00:29
Yes but threads get removed by the Illuminati. And then put back after somebody has posted a similar question.

Sysman
21st March 2010, 16:06
So I thought that I’d break it down to encourage newbies to ask questions without the regulars resorting to :suicide: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYOAiCf-80


The video currently comes up with "An error occurred, please try again later.".

Is anyone else seeing this?

Hmm, I'm getting that on every Youtube video; it's not specific to this one.

NickFitz
21st March 2010, 21:26
Just add "site:forums.contractoruk.com" at the end of your search terms, and it will only look on here.

(Thanks FAQQer...)

Furthermore, you can add a path, so for example

site:forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts
would restrict your search to just this area, which can be handy if there's a lot of noise from General or LR obscuring the useful results.

Example: Prince2 with clutter (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aforums.contractoruk.com%2F+prince2), Prince2 without clutter (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aforums.contractoruk.com%2Fbusiness-contracts+prince2).

Lumiere
22nd March 2010, 17:16
Could you create a similar thread for regulars (possibly agents) and start it with:

"There is no need to repeat entire posts within the body of your response. Too many and too large quotes hampers the readability of our busy and populated message threads."

Some people just do not get it.

Thanks from someone who occasionally reads the forum from a mobile device.

RichardCranium
22nd March 2010, 20:52
Could you create a similar thread for regulars (possibly agents) and start it with:

"There is no need to repeat entire posts within the body of your response. Too many and too large quotes hampers the readability of our busy and populated message threads."

Some people just do not get it.

Thanks from someone who occasionally reads the forum from a mobile device.WLS


:wink

Sysman
26th March 2010, 16:22
The video currently comes up with "An error occurred, please try again later.".

Is anyone else seeing this?

Mystery solved. Youtube is borking with Opera, but fine with Safari and FF.

(Though in Safari Youtube decided that I'm in Poland and did I want to set my filter for that? WTF ??? I'm nowhere near Poland)

Yank Geography I (http://funfire.de/lustige/bilder-782-verkehrte-welt.html)
Yank Geography II (http://funfire.de/lustige/bilder-399-irak-oder-deutschland.html)

P.S. That site has some definite NSFW stuff, so don't go wandering around there if you are at work.

P.P.S.
Cojak - I liked the second video. Ta muchly for that.

Nicely Nicely
26th March 2010, 18:18
Don't be surprised when none of your posts appear for a few days, and when they do, only one in four has been passed through, but not including the on-topic ones regarding issues about getting paid, for example.

Wanderer
28th March 2010, 00:28
Good work, cojak :)

It's a pretty obvious one but maybe you could add a link to the first timers guide too. http://www.contractoruk.com/first_timers/index.html

cojak
28th March 2010, 07:30
Good work, cojak :)

It's a pretty obvious one but maybe you could add a link to the first timers guide too. http://www.contractoruk.com/first_timers/index.html

Done! :smile

Bellona
22nd October 2013, 09:21
Maybe you should add a "guide to treating newbies" for the long standing members on here.

I lurked for quite a long while before registering : mainly because I thought some of the posts got quite acerbic early on and although I try and read these things "tongue in cheek", and am reasonably thick skinned, I didn't fancy being at the brunt.

Still, I'm bored on the bench, and thinking I would participate I registered and set forth. Added to a couple of reputations, made an effort to try and search before asking questions, usual newbie stuff.

Went to update my profile and see I have managed to acquire a couple of negative reps already on newbie questions. To add insult to injury, one came from someone I gave a positive too ( not that feedback needs to be reciprocal ).

So mad. :tantrum:

Cut the newbies some slack and we may end up becoming useful / entertaining regulars.

quackhandle
22nd October 2013, 09:58
So mad. :tantrum:

Cut the newbies some slack and we may end up becoming useful / entertaining regulars.

Give as good as you get and you'll be fine. Think of it as contractor training. :ladybags:

Hugs. :hug:

qh

northernladuk
22nd October 2013, 10:06
So mad. :tantrum:

Cut the newbies some slack and we may end up becoming useful / entertaining regulars.

There there... We are just having a bit of fun. Rep is utterly useless now as one person can neg you right to the bottom and also pos you right to the top. There are about 8 stages which were fun to get but it's a bit out of control now. We would have pos'd you back up. Pos rep is worth a lot more than neg rep so would have got you back on track in no time... but it's still useless. The fact were are included you in some CUK shenanigans is a good thing. Nothing nasty or negative has been said so all you need to do is just join in.

Bellona
22nd October 2013, 10:13
Give as good as you get and you'll be fine. Think of it as contractor training. :ladybags:

Hugs. :hug:

qh

Aaaah - an "Induction", well why didn't anyone tell me :smile, off to change into armour and get ready

mudskipper
22nd October 2013, 17:04
Aaaah - an "Induction", well why didn't anyone tell me :smile, off to change into armour and get ready

Head over to light relief for hugs and love.

northernladuk
22nd October 2013, 18:11
Head over to light relief for hugs and love.

or here (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/northernladuk.html) if you don't do that namby pamby stuff and like a bit of the rough stuff :devil

eek
22nd October 2013, 19:04
Head over to tpd (http://forums.contractoruk.com/light-relief/48919-test-please-delete-part-ii-3679.html) for hugs and love.

FTFY as the rest of light relief is more a resting place for failed general insults and :tumble:

IR36Contractor
14th March 2016, 20:33
Thank you this is a really good guide, it can be intimidating joining a new forum especially one with such "banter" and so many fascinating and interesting characters such as this one. I will be sure to search the forum before asking any questions which may have been asked dozens, or even hundreds of thousands of times before.

kaiser78
15th August 2016, 13:46
Thank you this is a really good guide, it can be intimidating joining a new forum especially one with such "banter" and so many fascinating and interesting characters such as this one. I will be sure to search the forum before asking any questions which may have been asked dozens, or even hundreds of thousands of times before.

Someone else scared off then from the chimes coming out from the CUK community :confused:

cojak
15th August 2016, 14:35
Someone else scared off then from the chimes coming out from the CUK community :confused:

I don't think so. The post had a flurry of posts in March and had barely got out of moderation before he stopped.

enrico200165
12th December 2017, 11:16
Obviously the link provided in the post I am replying to, not tried eventual other links

WTFH
12th December 2017, 11:18
Obviously the link provided in the post I am replying to, not tried eventual other links

Well spotted! Edited now.

joed
21st April 2018, 16:03
?????


Welcome to CUK! :wave:

If you have been lurking around CUK (and if you haven't I would recommend a glance in the professional forums AND General) you might have noticed one or two of the regular become a tad tetchy (or from your point of view, rude) over some of the threads that newbies have been posting lately. This might have stopped you from posting your own question for fear of getting flamed the same way.

Actually if you look more closely at many of the threads asking similar questions, you might also have noticed that this is not always the case. We will give full, helpful and occasionally encouraging advice without (apparent) rhyme or reason.

So I thought that I’d break it down to encourage newbies to ask questions without the regulars resorting to :suicide: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYOAiCf-80 or even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9TxwnPjB0U


The request/question. Generally the question can be broad general (“How are you finding the market?”), broad personal (“I need help with my CV”) or specific personal (“I gave my CV to an agent who changed it before sending it the client, what should I do?”). Decide which type is yours.
First look at the First-timers guide (https://www.contractoruk.com/first_timers) on this website; this ought to give you much of your initial information.
If your question is broad, first read the page of the forum you’re in – you’ll be amazed at how many general CV threads are started within minutes of each other – we can see that posters haven’t bothered looking. That irritates us.
If your question is slightly different, start a new thread that says "I've read in <original thread> blah, but I have a slightly different question..."
Now try your luck and use Search in both the forum and on the home page – you still might find what you are looking for.
If nothing comes up, now post your question (we can generally tell by the question whether you’ve done the 1st 4 steps, but not always so mention that you've looked.)
If your question is specific personal (such as the Grievance question in Accounts/Legal) – ask away. We will always try to help with these.


So basically, we will help where we can but we dislike lazy posting. If you find the above steps too much of a hassle, you deserve all you get.

HTH

PS - Using Google to search CUK:
1) Just add "site:forums.contractoruk.com" at the end of your search terms, and it will only look on here. (Ta, FAQQer).
2) To specify a particular forum add site:forums.contractoruk.com/forum-name eg "site:forums.contractoruk.com/business-contracts" (Ta, NickFitz).

cojak
21st April 2018, 16:19
Yes it is effectively stuck in limbo joed.

Your first 6 posts are moderated, but this is a busy weekend so I’m around to moderate and allow your posts through.

adamluke450
14th February 2019, 20:18
ok so i read the rules it said that my first post will be moderated. Which means if i reply to any post that also going to be moderated? Is only first post will be moderated or there is any specific numbers of posts that will be moderated just like the above said its 6 posts needs to be moderated.

cojak
14th February 2019, 20:32
Welcome to CUK! :)

All 6 posts will be moderated, be they 1st posts or replies.

northernladuk
14th February 2019, 22:18
ok so i read the rules it said that my first post will be moderated. Which means if i reply to any post that also going to be moderated? Is only first post will be moderated or there is any specific numbers of posts that will be moderated just like the above said its 6 posts needs to be moderated.Dunno about the posts thing but you do win the award for the most times using the 'moderated' in a single post.

Old Greg
6th March 2019, 21:15
Dunno about the posts thing but you do win the award for the most times using the 'moderated' in a single post.

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