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dang65
10th March 2010, 11:11
My current contract is entering a really busy period and one of the managers has gone so far as to ask if people would be willing to work Good Friday and Easter Monday to help out. The thing is, he's basically suggested that we just "move the bank holidays to later in the year" - no mention of extra pay or even extended time off in lieu. (And my contract is only till mid-May anyway, now I think on it!)

I've only just started here and don't know if there is a standard procedure with this kind of thing (I've emailed my agent to ask if he knows), but I was just wondering what others do in these situations. When I was a permie many years ago and worked rota, Bank Holidays were worth about 2.5 times normal day rate, but that may have been negotiated by the unions. I don't think I've ever worked a Bank Hol as a contractor, so I don't know what the SP is. Any advice?

ratewhore
10th March 2010, 11:14
Speaking for myself, I tell clients to poke it, unless:

a) I'm doing fark all that day AND
b) they pay me double rate AND
c) I can really be arsed

Other peoples experience I'm sure differ...

AtW
10th March 2010, 11:18
Other peoples experience I'm sure differ...

Quiet - "contract termination" and "bad reference" are the operative words that spring to mind :laugh

TheFaQQer
10th March 2010, 11:20
First piece of advice - move this / repost this in the contracts forum. You might get more relevant / serious answers from there than you will in General.

Second - what does your contract say? If there is nothing in there, then most clients I have worked with that asked the same question (or whether I would work weekends) is that the most they expect would be to pay you the standard rate. I had one PM tell me that she would "like to be able to offer more, but we have to work to the contract. I hope you understand". I told her that I understood, but wouldn't be working that weekend "as we have to work to the contract".

It's up to you to either negotiate what you want for the work, or not do it - same as any contractual negotiation. If you want to do the work, then either do it for the rate in the contract, or do it for what you can negotiate. If you don't want the work, then don't do it.

I've not worked weekends or bank holidays for 10 years now - I only did it then because I was permie, the overtime was good, I was doing nothing that weekend, and MrsF was still away at university. Now, I have no incentive to work overtime, so I don't.

TheFaQQer
10th March 2010, 11:20
Quiet - "contract termination" and "bad reference" are the operative words that spring to mind :laugh

Well, the client would be pretty stupid to get rid of people when they are so manic that they need them to work weekends.

Mind you, there are plenty of stupid people out there.

Sockpuppet
10th March 2010, 11:21
Your not a permie. Days "in lieu" don't exist as a contractor.

You turn up you and deliver and you get paid. Don't turn up or don't deliver and dont' get paid.

Just tell them what you want cash wise to turn up. If they refuse don't go in.

Simple.

MarillionFan
10th March 2010, 11:21
????? At the end of the day you aint gonna get paid for the BH anyway, so if you want to work it, then work it. If you dont, don't. Bank holidays are a pain the ass when you're contracting.

A bank holiday is just another day and only permies think it's something special and should get something for it.

You're in control. Your choice.

Swiss Tony
10th March 2010, 11:22
Officially ‘bank’ holidays are just that, holidays for people who work in banks. They are not public holidays and so you would be expected to work during them (assuming someone in HR actually knows what they are talking about). Most companies allow their permanent employees time off on bank holidays but it is not the law.

So take what you can get, but they may quote the above at you. Plus you agreed to contract on said rate per day. This alas, in the eyes of the law, counts as a regular day.

HTH

MarillionFan
10th March 2010, 11:24
Jesus. Did four posters just give exactly the same advice.

I need to sit down!!:eek:

northernladuk
10th March 2010, 11:26
Yo have to think what do YOU want to do and then balance this up with what needs to be done.

I have done everything in this situation while contracting, worked for a day in lieu, worked for normal rate, worked it for the brownie points (once!) though I have never managed to get an enhanced rate it has to be said.

Each time it came up my circumstances were different which affected what I did. Last easter partner was away, didn't want to cut the grass, had a contract I enjoyed so I did a day with everyone else and mucked in for no cash. I did impress a couple of people and got myself in with the rest of the guys no end so strongly believe this helped me get an extention. Either way I enjoyed the day as it was bit more light hearted and thats what I work for.. to be happy.

Go speak to the client, get what YOU want. You have a contract so can't get screwed over so try change it to your advantage. If you want a couple of extra hundred quid then work it like normal day. If you don't want to do it don't.

ratewhore
10th March 2010, 11:27
Quiet - "contract termination" and "bad reference" are the operative words that spring to mind :laugh

As I say, that is my approach. It's seen me right over the years, every client has offered renewals, no-one has batted an eyelid, and I've always been in work when I wanted it.

I would say you're talking bollarks, but that would be rude, and not in line with the new community spirit on this board...

Moscow Mule
10th March 2010, 11:27
Officially ‘bank’ holidays are just that, holidays for people who work in banks.

They are public holidays according to gov.uk

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/governmentcitizensandrights/livingintheuk/dg_073741

HTH.

northernladuk
10th March 2010, 11:28
Your not a permie. Days "in lieu" don't exist as a contractor.
You turn up you and deliver and you get paid. Don't turn up or don't deliver and dont' get paid.

Just tell them what you want cash wise to turn up. If they refuse don't go in.

Simple.

In the true sense of the word I guess it doesn't but it can be used to introduce an element of flexibility which has a similar outcome. What you call it is up to you but in lieu is pretty well understood.

AtW
10th March 2010, 11:29
I would say you're talking bollarks, but that would be rude, and not in line with the new community spirit on this board...

We have a new community spirit? :eek

MarillionFan
10th March 2010, 11:31
We have a new community spirit? :eek

:hug:

I've added so many to my ignore list all of a sudden the site seems OK again.:happy

Swiss Tony
10th March 2010, 11:38
They are public holidays according to gov.uk

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/governmentcitizensandrights/livingintheuk/dg_073741

HTH.

I stand corrected, however for the original poster:

‘You don't have an automatic right to paid leave on bank and public holidays, though many people receive the day off work. Any right to time off or extra pay for working on a bank holiday depends on the terms of your contract of employment.’

I think that’s what I was trying to say, although I got it seriously ar*e to face!

chef
10th March 2010, 11:40
We have a new community spirit? :eek

I hope it tastes like Makers Mark, that's a nice spirit

Moscow Mule
10th March 2010, 11:42
I stand corrected, however for the original poster:

‘You don't have an automatic right to paid leave on bank and public holidays, though many people receive the day off work. Any right to time off or extra pay for working on a bank holiday depends on the terms of your contract of employment.’

I think that’s what I was trying to say, although I got it seriously ar*e to face!

Yep, I know my contract doesn't distinguish between a normal day and a bank holiday so I could work if I wanted to.

dang65
10th March 2010, 11:49
Your not a permie. Days "in lieu" don't exist as a contractor.

You turn up you and deliver and you get paid. Don't turn up or don't deliver and don't get paid.
Yes, I see your point there, though I was actually thinking along the lines of being paid for a standard day's work and having a day off later. But you're right that the time off thing doesn't apply to contractors.

I do see a Bank Holiday as a special day though, just as I would see working through the night as being special, or working over weekends. I would negotiate a different rate if this was routinely expected, and not work it if there was no extra compensation. I would expect a contract cleaning company or a security company to charge a different rate for night or weekend or Bank Holiday work, and my company should do the same.

That's what I thought, but the majority here have said, "Just work it, it's money you wouldn't have otherwise," and I will certainly think about that advice! And wait for the agent to reply.

lje
10th March 2010, 13:30
I would work it if I didn't have other plans and I would charge my normal day rate - the same as if I occasionally need to work on a weekend. If you want to charge a different rate than your standard rate then you should ideally have that in your contract. If you can organise something different now then give it a go.

fullyautomatix
10th March 2010, 13:33
Quiet - "contract termination" and "bad reference" are the operative words that spring to mind :laugh

Quite

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